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To: uscit
I can certainly vouch for the "hardly any Americans in graduate engineering programs" theme raised in this article, having received my M.S. in the last six years in an engineering program where I was one of only five American students out of around 50-60. But there are a number of different factors that come into play in the U.S. that should be mentioned, too. I'll list a few off the top of my head . . .

1. One of the biggest reasons why Americans have shied away from graduate programs in engineering is that we tend to be very uncomfortable with a degree that is so specialized. Most people who get a master's degree in engineering do so after getting an undergraduate degree in the same field, and having this combination of degrees requires a very narrow focus.

2. For all the concerns about job instability and outsourcing in engineering, a career in this field is generally far more lucrative at the lower levels than most others. Engineering is one of the few fields where average entry-level workers do very well right out of an undergraduate program. A lot of young American engineers don't go to graduate school simply because they are paid very well right out of school, and by the time they reach a point where their education presents a "glass ceiling" for them they are more interested in pursuing different career tracks within the field (a managerial track, for example -- which doesn't require an advanced engineering degree).

3. I would strongly urge any young engineer to steer clear of any full-time graduate program in engineering. If you want to get an advanced degree, do it at night on a part-time basis while you work a full-time job in the field. The experience you get on the job is worth far more than the education you get in the classroom, and delaying the start of your career by enrolling in a full-time graduate program could very well set you back several years.

4. Because of the universal nature of engineering principles, engineering has basically become "commoditized" to the same extent that manual labor has. From a purely technical standpoint an engineer in the U.S. is generally no more competent than an engineer in China or India, so for a truly rewarding career in engineering it is necessary to acquire skills above and beyond the normal technical skills in your field. This means expanding your horizons into areas at the periphery of engineering, or even completely outside it. A law degree makes an engineer ideal for a highly lucrative career in patent law, an MBA makes an engineer an ideal manager in a high-tech company, a combination of engineering and finance makes for a perfect Wall Street analyst, etc. Even an advanced degree in English can serve an engineer well, since people with good technical writing skills can command some extraordinary salaries.

20 posted on 11/30/2005 5:55:30 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"Because of the universal nature of engineering principles, engineering has basically become "commoditized" to the same extent that manual labor has."

You have a lot of good points, particularly wrt widening the scope of one's skills beyond "just engineering".

I would argue however that lawyering skills are far older and more "commodidized" than engineering skills. The difference is that a Legal career in the U.S. has built-in trade barriers due to language, culture, and more importantly Licensing . While large corporations are trying experiments with legal outsourcing, they are barley scratching the surface, and IMO will ultimately fail.

One thing I would point out is the power of the free marketplace for labor with respect to the free marketplace for goods. Basically, in the absence of U.S. tariffs on goods as part of the U.S. goal of a global free market, the top students among the U.S. labor pool have sought-out and achieved built-in trade barriers within their job descriptions. Unfortunately, in our case, we have succeeded in boxing out the producer functions, and retained the zero-sum redistributionists.
62 posted on 12/01/2005 12:15:23 PM PST by indthkr
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