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Interesting and controversial take on Lincoln
The American View ^ | Scott T. Whiteman, Esq.

Posted on 11/26/2005 10:22:01 PM PST by Jeremydmccann

On November 19, 1863, America permanently shifted from being a Republic of Republics (U.S. Const., Art. IV, §4) guaranteeing to the States the right to govern themselves under God to an egalitarian Empire at the control of a presumptuous 10 square mile plot of land on the east side of the Potomac River. The shift had been occurring for around forty years with the regional jealousies and rivalries between North and South over the use of, versus the right to collect, taxes for the “internal improvement” projects that almost universally went to improve the North. But on November 19, 1863, Union President Abraham Lincoln delivered his now infamous speech, The Gettysburg Address, permanently codifying his view of an America according to Lincoln.

(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanview.com ...


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1 posted on 11/26/2005 10:22:02 PM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann

Pretty much the same old same old Southern Apologia mixed in with someone yet again having to amusingly dance around the fact there's hardly a mention of Christianity or Religion in the actual body of the Constitution, thus forcing him to rely on the Declaration of Independence.


2 posted on 11/26/2005 10:30:56 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Jeremydmccann

Yes, some people are still trying to refight the Civil War.

But would a separated Northern United States and Southern Confederacy have been a match for Hitler and Japanese imperialism, or the Soviet Union, or the radical Islamic terrorists?

Whether these grumblers from the grave of our old Republic of Republics like it or not, it may have been God's will that our country evolved as it did.


3 posted on 11/26/2005 10:54:23 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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re: Whether these grumblers from the grave of our old Republic of Republics like it or not, it may have been God's will that our country evolved as it did.
 
My top 10 list of Stupid Statements Post On FR just had to reshuffle to make room for this one. (Granted 3 of those 10 were posted by yours truly over the years but that's neither here nore there.)
4 posted on 11/26/2005 11:07:16 PM PST by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: Jeremydmccann

FYI:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1295097/posts?page=88#88


5 posted on 11/26/2005 11:13:48 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/french_riots.htm)
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To: tomakaze

Guess you'll just have to yield rank to someone with a greater imagination for the far fetched if not the outrightly absurd.

Cheers!


6 posted on 11/26/2005 11:15:08 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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I suspect if the South had won, it would have shut down slavery on its own eventually, just like South Africa was changed by World opinion. With two English speaking States side by side , competition for the brightest and best to stay on their side would, I think, have actually led to a better outcome. I bet the Income tax, which is the real poison pill that's killing the Constitution , would not have passed.


7 posted on 11/26/2005 11:15:57 PM PST by Nateman
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To: Jeremydmccann
I've seen this clown before and discussed another of his articles on this thread. As I have said, this guy does not write like a legitimate lawyer, and he certainly does not argue like one. The "Esq." after his name carries zero credibility with me. (The foregoing is all besides the fact that this guy is completely nuts in the first place!)
8 posted on 11/26/2005 11:19:51 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Nateman

The true underlying flaw of the South was not slavery, but it's attempt to recreate a society based on the gravest flaw of European economic and governmental systems...

ruling aristocracy and working serf/peasant status determined by birth.

The concept that birth determines one's position in society and not one's own efforts and inborn gifts is a European failure.

A society that does not allow people to rise or fall on the basis of their own inherent abilities is not a society that will advance quickly or face adversaries successfully in the long run.

I don't see a rosy future for a Southern Confederacy as you do. I see an inherently unAmerican concept leading to its eventual disintegration at the hands of some conqueror or another from outside, despite the exemplary valor, courage and patriotism of its soldiers.

I haven't thought through the latter part of this post as I haven't thought much about what the effect of having another European style aristocracy established in the Americas would work out, but absolutely do believe the first part. And if one looks at Spanish influenced countries (Mexico, South America), there might be a clue about the future of such social systems.


9 posted on 11/26/2005 11:27:36 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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I didn't think to notice until just now, but you were the one to post the earlier article to which I referred in my #8. Are you a particular fan of Mr. Whiteman?
10 posted on 11/26/2005 11:28:01 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: patriciaruth
Yes, some people are still trying to refight the Civil War.

But would a separated Northern United States and Southern Confederacy have been a match for Hitler and Japanese imperialism, or the Soviet Union, or the radical Islamic terrorists?

Whether these grumblers from the grave of our old Republic of Republics like it or not, it may have been God's will that our country evolved as it did.

Regardless of the above, the article makes some extremely salient points about the ramifications of Lincoln's tyranny. Should Hillary become president, you may find yourself ready to reconsider all that you have dismissed. The Declaration of Independance expresses the principles upon which the founding of our country was based.

11 posted on 11/26/2005 11:37:46 PM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: HaveGunWillTravel

Hubby's turn on the net.

We'll have to refight the Civil War another time.

Night all!


12 posted on 11/26/2005 11:41:19 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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I haven't thought through the latter part of this post as I haven't thought much about what the effect of having another European style aristocracy established in the Americas would work out, but absolutely do believe the first part. And if one looks at Spanish influenced countries (Mexico, South America), there might be a clue about the future of such social systems.

Forget about the Confederacy. The article focuses on the concerns and values that gave rise to the American Revolution.

13 posted on 11/26/2005 11:47:28 PM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: patriciaruth
When you look at the southern constitution, with the obvious exception of slavery, it's pretty good. I figure if it was too difficult to rise up to anything in the South the able bodied folks would just move North until like the Soviets they either built a wall to keep them in or bring about the necessary changes to retain them. The key here is you actually have competing states right next to each other without even having to learn a new language in order to vote with your feet to get to the other side.
14 posted on 11/26/2005 11:49:57 PM PST by Nateman
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To: Jeremydmccann

Southern denial and revisionism.


15 posted on 11/27/2005 3:10:32 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf. (All religious headdress). The effect will creat a huge domino effect..)
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To: Jeremydmccann

The malcontents of the world continue to pick away at the greatest nation on earth. Yes, it's Sour Grapes.


17 posted on 11/27/2005 4:53:41 AM PST by RoadTest (Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince. - Prov. 17:7)
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To: Forest Keeper

yes


18 posted on 11/27/2005 5:24:19 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: HaveGunWillTravel

Regardless of the above, the article makes some extremely salient points about the ramifications of Lincoln's tyranny. Should Hillary become president, you may find yourself ready to reconsider all that you have dismissed. The Declaration of Independance expresses the principles upon which the founding of our country was based.

seems as though you are the only one who got the point of the entire article.


19 posted on 11/27/2005 5:26:59 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: tkathy

Maryland (author's home) was not a Southern State.


20 posted on 11/27/2005 5:36:36 AM PST by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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