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Allowing concealed guns a bad idea
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| November 23, 2005
| ADAM A. MEYERS
Posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:56 PM PST by jdege
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To: jdege
I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.Why only retired Police Officers? Why not Veterans and Military Retirees too? Why not properly trained citizens, Security Guards, Military Reservists and such?
I'm too skeptical when someone advocates only allowing one segment of society to be armed.
To: Sue Bob
I think that people should be allowed to carry their guns in plain sight. That way, there will be no doubt that individuals are prepared to defend themselves, and that criminals prey upon them at their own risk.
Logical but impractical. When the robbery goes down, the security guards are neutralized first because their weapons are exposed. The people behind the counter are second in line because the probability of a weapon behind the counter is high. A citizen carrying a concealed weapon is a wild card, an ace-in-the-hole. Having the weapon in plain site simply elevates the individual to security guard status before the program begins. There is no longer a mental deterrent to the criminal committing the crime or disadvantage to the criminal while the crime is being committed.
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posted on
11/23/2005 5:50:11 PM PST
by
so_real
("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
To: Third Order
I lived in Kennesaw, GA myself. It seemed like everyone was armed and I never felt safer.
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posted on
11/23/2005 5:56:11 PM PST
by
so_real
("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
To: handk
Several years ago, in the city where I live, a female police officer had a suspect sitting in the back of her squad car. He did something to prompt her to fire her tazer gun at him. Only thing is, she mistakenly grabbed her firearm and shot him in the chest, killing him instantly. The point of this story is that obviously, only cops are qualified to carry firearms. Us peasants just can't handle that kind of responsibility.
Here is a great example of someone we are supposed to wait for to come rescue us ignorant, unarmed civilians when facing a deadly bad guy. I think I'll keep exercising my CCW instead.
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posted on
11/23/2005 5:56:50 PM PST
by
Ghengis
(Alexander was a wuss!)
To: ArmyTeach
Didn't they just make Alaska a free carry state? Basically, you require no license, etc?
In fact, I KNOW it has. It doesn't jibe with your account, though that may have been the case back before the law changed.
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posted on
11/23/2005 6:17:56 PM PST
by
Skywalk
(Transdimensional Jihad!)
To: Skywalk
Nevermind, I see that you responded to that fact.
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posted on
11/23/2005 6:28:56 PM PST
by
Skywalk
(Transdimensional Jihad!)
To: jdege
Yeah....doing things his way has worked out so well, why would anyone want to change it?
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posted on
11/23/2005 6:37:18 PM PST
by
Uriah_lost
(We aren't pro-war, we're PRO-VICTORY!)
To: Skywalk
You are quite right, of course. Concealed carry is allowed in Alaska without the class or licensure, thanks to a recent change in the law. I said as much towards the end of the comment that you cite as well as in a later comment. The Concealed Carry class is still available, however, and I still recommend it. So far, even though I have not been following the statistics, there seems to be no significant spike in gun related crime in the absence of the licensing process.
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posted on
11/23/2005 6:57:07 PM PST
by
ArmyTeach
(Pray daily for our troops...)
To: kingu
Has there yet to be a locale where concealed carry was introduced that had an increase in crime?
Murders in north Minneapolis went up dramatically, the year after shall-issue was adopted in Minnesota. That's the neighborhood just north of downtown, where all the '60's "urban renewal" projects were built.
Now admittedly, city-wide the total number of murders was unchanged. But the murders that did happen almost all seemed to happen in that one neighborhood.
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posted on
11/23/2005 8:08:54 PM PST
by
jdege
To: jdege
I can see that the change from crimminals carrying concealed to everyone carrying concealed worries some people. But the only people that would worry would be crimminals.
I like my crimminals worried.
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posted on
11/23/2005 8:59:40 PM PST
by
festus
(The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
To: ArmyTeach
Alaska has recently done away with the requirement for classroom time, certification and licensure for concealed carry. I might anticipate an increase in gun crime as a resultWhy?? It might be reasonable to expect an increase in accidental shootings or in careless gun handling by untrained and inexperienced people carrying guns, but why would you expect crime to increase? No real criminal was ever deterred from carrying a gun just because of a law against it, breaking laws is his normal way of life.
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posted on
11/23/2005 9:31:51 PM PST
by
epow
("Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" Prov. 14:34)
To: epow
I guess I should have said I wouldn't be surprised. But neither am I surprised that there hasn't been an incerease in gun related crime that I'm aware of. I heard it speculated that impuslive young people who think its all of a sudden cool to be packing might use a gun where otherwise they might use fists. As I said, speculation.
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11/23/2005 9:49:10 PM PST
by
ArmyTeach
(Pray daily for our troops...)
To: Myrddin
"It can be made satisfactory for use by a SWAT sniper."
Sir, you're fooling yourself. The only LEOs I know of that use the Ruger Mini series of weapons for anything are people employed as prison guards by the various DOCs. Why? Because their use for them is at extremely short range where inaccuracy does not matter (10 MOA accuracy is OK when your target is only 50 yards away), and they have a less-sinister appearance than, say, the AR series of weapons. Well, that, and they're cheap. Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who relies on the Ruger Mini series of weapon for any "serious social purpose" is a fool. You'll get more accuracy from the most crudely made and primitive AK clone out there.
To: VaGunGuy
A few people disagree with you
here.
As noted in a prior post, I prefer the Savage 12FV in .223 with a good B&W Elite 10X scope on top. 10 rounds through a single hole at 100 yards is effortless. The 12VLP in Ruger 204 is even better.
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posted on
11/23/2005 10:49:45 PM PST
by
Myrddin
To: jdege
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posted on
11/23/2005 11:45:35 PM PST
by
flashbunny
(To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
To: Myrddin
that's after accuracy work has been done on a mini 14. And usually so much is replaced that there is very little "mini 14" actually left.
And after their accuracy work has been done, you're spending more on a min-15 than you would for a good ar15.
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posted on
11/23/2005 11:48:26 PM PST
by
flashbunny
(To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
To: Third Order
I think everyone ought to carry guns -- but they should be displayed prominently, saying: "I'm packing, so I'll be a good citizen -- AND SO DO YOU". Only criminals would be bothered about not displaying it prominently.
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posted on
11/23/2005 11:50:16 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
To: jdege
Big surprise. Racine, WI is a feceshole. I know, I was born and raised there, and the crime rate is bigger than Milwaukee's. So it's no suprise to see law enforcement oppose concealed-carry. They'd be out of a job.
To: R.W.Ratikal
Hopefully your doctor will be back in on monday and he can adjust your meds.
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posted on
11/23/2005 11:52:00 PM PST
by
flashbunny
(To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
To: eastforker
You'd be surprised how many otherwise conservative cops think this.
It's all selfish of course as they don't want to confront people with guns on car stops etc..if they can avoid it.
But their significant others likely carry "illegally" along with a business card with contact info of their cop significant other. It's a "cop to cop courtesy for their relatives" thing they don't get busted. Know it for a fact from my own days 10-8 so any cops out there don't bother disputing this.
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posted on
11/24/2005 12:03:08 AM PST
by
jaguaretype
(Sometimes war IS the answer)
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