Posted on 11/18/2005 3:09:30 PM PST by Gordongekko909
House Republicans maneuvered for swift and overwhelming rejection Friday of a Democratic lawmaker's call for U.S. troops to be pulled out of Iraq.
Furious, Democrats accused the GOP of orchestrating a political stunt by leaving little time for debate and by taking the heart out of the resolution offered by Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania.
For those reasons, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent word to the rank-and-file to vote - with the Republicans - against immediate withdrawal of American troops.
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RINOS who voted with the Democrats to block a recorded vote ...
(see http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll606.xml )
Member Name DC Phone DC FAX Email
Representative Mike Simpson (R - ID02)
202-225-5531 202-225-8216 http://www.house.gov/simpson/emailme.shtml
Representative James A. Leach (R - IA02)
202-225-6576 202-226-1278 http://www.house.gov/leach/email.htm
Representative Walter B. Jones, Jr. (R - NC03)
202-225-3415 202-225-3286 http://jones.house.gov/html/contact_form_email.cfm
Representative John N. Hostettler (R - IN08)
202-225-4636 202-225-3284 John.Hostettler@mail.house.gov
Representative Roscoe G. Bartlett (R - MD06)
202-225-2721 202-225-2193 http://www.bartlett.house.gov/emailissues.asp
Representative Wayne T. Gilchrest (R - MD01)
202-225-5311 202-225-0254 http://gilchrest.house.gov/contact.asp?ContactType=Form
I heard that Democrap spin about moving our forces to "redeploy". Huh?
That would mean I suppose, a brigade to Marthas Vineyard to guard against drunks in Oldsmobiles.
Or maybe a division to Bermuda to protect Congressional junkets.
Anywhere but where our fine troops are needed to protect the nation.
Murtha did say, and these are his words, "It is time to bring them home". That sounds like 'now'. When I told my kids, "It is time to go to bed", I meant NOW, not at the 'earliest practicable time'.
Isn't everyone in favor of bringing them home at the earliest practicable date? Practicable means feasible. I think a lot of Dems want 'earliest practicable date' to mean before it is feasible. President Bush does not think it is feasible now. Does Mr. Murtha think it is feasible now? The Dems seem to be claiming he doesn't. Therefore, Mr. Murtha, you will have to wait until he thinks it IS feasible.
Yep. I just sent my senator a nastygram on this. Vietnam was disgusting the first time. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to re-create it. Especially since we're 6 inches from wrapping this phase up. Too many people sacrificed too much to try to snatch defeat from the hands of victory just to embarass a president who's NOT FREAKIN UP FOR RE-ELECTION.
Kind of like putting a bill out to re-instate the draft right before a Presidential election so the media can do a blitz to state that there's a threat that the draft might be re-instated?
Hmmmm.
Murtha said in his speech that we should leave now. He also said that we couldn't win any more, and that nothing we did there would help anymore. He didn't say that after 6 more months we would have accomplished all we could do, he said the boys are dying now in vain.
The only reason he mentioned 6 months was that he thought it would take that long to get all the troops out.
The house resolution tonight says "as quick as is practical", and it turns out that to get 160,000 troops and all the equipment out will take about 6 months.
Murtha's "plan" involved putting all a reactionary marine force "nearby", that could be sent back in if needed. That is just a few thousand troops, and would have nothing to do with the removal of the majority of the troops.
In fact, Murtha's "plan" was not much of a plan, and now he has to pretend this WASN'T his plan. If we asked to vote on HIS plan tonight, he would say his plan isn't ready, but they would have it in early 2006, just like all their other "plans".
The "redeployment" was just for the expeditionary force, and he didn't even say where they would be.
Here's the fact. If we "redeployed" like Murtha wanted, the terrorists would simply run up to Afghanistan and attack us there. And then they'd run down to Kuwait and attack us there. And they'd come after the reaction force wherever IT was.
When they got tired of that, they'd run over to Israel and take them out.
Murtha's plan essentially was that he thinks 1000 deaths a year is too high a price to pay fight the terrorists.
...."Evidently Hastert has found the courage to stand up against the raving beech Pelosi......waiting for Frist!!"
Don't even -- hold your breath. Frist is thinking of running for pres in '08.
I just watched a rerun of Murtha's speech on CSPAN. He's convinced we need to leave and the earlier the better. Why would he want to wait? It would take a few months before the last American would board a helicopter from the roof of the American embassy. It will take a little while to construct some towers so the MSM will have a place to film from while thousands of Iraqi's are left to be hunted down and killed.
Murtha said we should "redeploy." He suggested to Kuwait. He went on to say something like if it gets too bad the Marines can just run up the road and straighten it out.
He sounded pretty tired and hysterical to me. I'll just say that he feels genuine pain for the wounded and talked a lot about battle fatigue. He's been a point man on veterans issues for a long time. But, he seems and sounded like a PTSD victim who has just had enough. I saw a hint of 'losing it' about him.
He referred to his visits to Anbar province and the casualty rate increasing. The casualty rate is increasing because we are carrying the fight to the enemy and killing them where we find them. We are not merely patrolling the roads like ducks in a shooting gallery and providing targets to the terrorists.
During the last year of the Civil war the Union army under U.S. Grant suffered nearly daily battles with horrific casualties once the Army of the Potomac and headed south in pursuit of the Confederate army. Battles included the meat grinders of the Wilderness, Spottsylvania, Cold Harbor, and Petersburg before finishing up at Appomattox.
There were a lot of Copperheads who couldn't face it, called Grant a butcher, and wanted to negotiate a peace even while Grant was standing on the throat of the Confederacy.
It appears the Democrats are terrified that we might win. Why? We are in no military jeopardy, the casualty rate is barely above the normal accident rate, and we spank the enemy in every encounter.
I believe the Iraqi army can be trained to defend their country. It takes time and I think the conditions are such that we should wait awhile longer and see what happens.
Jean Schmidt could replace De Wine in the senate in my book. Sure was funny to hear the PC gasps from the Dems. I knew that they don't believe in democracy. I guess they don't like free speech either.
This has all been so transparent, so organized.
The demands that we get out RIGHT NOW, IMMEDIATELY etc.
Is it OK if we at least wait until after the parlimentary election next month before we cut and run? /s
Aside from abandoning the Iraqi people, proving to terrorists that we can be rolled, and guaranteeing that the war effort was for nothing, could we at least wait until the completion of the election timetable if nothing else?
Do these dim traitors even know there is an election scheduled and that both the Bush WH and our own common sense tell us that violence will increase during the run up?
Or are they afraid that this election, like the others before it, will be a huge success so are keeping those waters as muddied as possible?
Hey y'all I'm a newbie. I too sent my senator an e-mail today regarding this. Listening to the dems constantly whine irritates me but the thought of just surrendering enrages me. The dems and rinos are real courageous spewing their garbage from the capitol. Not a one of them would have the stones to go face to face with one of our fine and brave service men or women and explain how they're losing to terrorist thugs and its time to leave. I swear you must have to agree to be neutered to enter politics.
You sure are! Happy first day. Welcome!
John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator
Well the vote is over
The Democrats and liberals have no spine.
Vote 403 to 3
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