Posted on 11/18/2005 11:31:04 AM PST by Reagan Man
House Republicans sought a showdown Friday with Democrats on a proposal by one of their most senior members to force an end to the U.S. deployment of troops in Iraq.
Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., offered the resolution demanding a pullout. The GOP-run House was expected to reject it _ and make a prominent statement about where Congress stands on Iraq _ as the chamber scurried toward a Thanksgiving break.
"We'll let the members debate it and then let them vote on it," said Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the acting majority leader.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's office had no immediate comment.
Murtha, a well-respected Vietnam veteran who voted for the Iraq war, called for the immediate withdrawal of troops Thursday, intensifying the already red-hot debate on Capitol Hill over President Bush's war policies.
Murtha's resolution would force the president to withdrawal the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest predictable date."
Most Republicans oppose Murtha's plan, and even some Democrats have been reluctant to back his position. Republicans were seeking to force Democrats to stand with the respected 30-year congressman or go on the record against his proposal.
Some members of the House and Senate, looking ahead to off-year elections next November, are publicly worrying about a quagmire there. They have been staking out new positions on the war that has grown increasingly unpopular with the American public, resulted in more than 2,000 U.S. military deaths and cost more than $200 billion.
The House move comes just days after the GOP-controlled Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal. Spotlighting mushrooming questions from both parties about the war, though, the chamber then approved a statement that 2006 should be a significant year in which conditions are created for the phased withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency," Murtha, a longtime hawk on foreign and military affairs issues, said Thursday. "They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence. The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion."
A day after his comments, a U.S. field commander in Iraq countered the position of the usually pro-military congressman.
"Here on the ground, our job is not done," said Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team, when asked about Murtha's comments during a weekly briefing that American field commanders routinely give to Pentagon reporters.
Speaking from a U.S. logistics base at Balad, north of Baghdad, two days before his scheduled return to Texas, Brown said: "We have to finish the job that we began here. It's important for the security of this nation."
Republicans pounced, chastising Murtha for advocating what they called a strategy of surrender and abandonment, and Democrats defended Murtha as a patriot, even as they declined to back his view.
"I won't stand for the swift-boating of Jack Murtha," Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, responded Friday. Also a Vietnam veteran, Kerry was dogged during the campaign by a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that challenged his war record.
"There is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience," Kerry said.
For his part, Kerry has proposed a phased exit from Iraq, starting with the withdrawal of 20,000 troops after December elections in Iraq. A Kerry spokesman said "he has his own plan" when asked if Kerry agreed with immediate withdrawal.
As a Vietnam veteran and top Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee with close ties to many military officers, Murtha carries more credibility with his colleagues on the issue than a number of other Democrats who have opposed the war from the start.
Bush administration officials have been cautious in responding to Murtha.
"We have nothing but respect for Congressman Murtha's service to his country," White House communications director Nicolle Wallace told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "And I think he spoke from the heart yesterday. We happen to have a real serious policy disagreement with him."
Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, a 29-year Air Force veteran who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam for nearly seven years, called Murtha's position unconscionable and irresponsible. "We've got to support our troops to the hilt and see this mission through," he said.
With a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, Murtha retired from the Marine Corps reserves as a colonel in 1990 after 37 years as a Marine, only a few years longer than he's been in Congress. Elected in 1974, Murtha has become known as an authority on national security whose advice was sought out by Republican and Democratic administrations alike.
Does Murtha propose to withdraw U.S. troops (even though the new Iraqi government has asked us to stay) and leave the rest of the Coalition there? Hmmm? Or does he propose to tell the Coalition what to do? Clarify your motion, Mr. Murtha.
FYI..JD Hayworth and Charlie Rangel coming up on Hannity at 4PM..Sean is gonna let them debate...one on one..seems it was Hayworth's idea to bring up the Murtha resolution..maybe Rangel will add an amendment calling for a draft?
Their boy...JFK...
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My first thought was Whoooooooo hoooooooooooo, give 'em hell, then the more sensible part of my brain remembered that our own party and especially the RINO 7, can't be trusted. They are already starting to bale on Alito, or so a headline read. I love putting the Dem's feet to the fire, I can't stand them!!!!! I can honestly say, I can't stand them, with a passion... but I so don't trust any of our side, for the most part either. It will be interesting to see what comes out of this. How the MSM will spin it and the Dem's will spin it also. I think that they'll try and come up with a way to not vote, like the one person said 75% will be a no show to vote. What happens then?
This is in the House, not the Senate....the GOP caucus will hang tough 100%..
Now that's funny! "I won't stand for the exposure of facts and evidence about Jack Murtha the way the Swift-Boat Veterans exposed them about me!"
Kerry still doesn't understand that it was the truth that did him in.
"Good! Bring It On!!!"
Thanksssssssss Youuuuuuuuu! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr...........Murtha...&%@#@........
Never hear words like "pounced" when the MSM is referring to the RATS!! What filth the MSM is - we need to destroy every last one of these organizations, dead and in their coffins. They are destroying this country one story (lie) at a time.
Thank you, so now another question. Does it then go to the Senate or is this just a "resolution", we're not talking bill here where both houses have to pass it, correct?
Very curious quote coming from a man who knows nothing about backbone, courage, character or conscience!
soooooooooooooooo true
Knowing Charlie Rangel I wouldn't be surprised at all.
That's my guess, but they'll find a way to keep their harping going.
I CANNOT THANK MURTHA ENOUGH, BOTH FOR HIS SERVICE AND NOW FOR CAUSING EVERY RAT TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US.
Correct....
Maybe we shouldn't let that stop us... it's time for everyone to show their cards in this thing and American's to vote accordingly next year.
This is not true.
"They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence.
This is not true.
The war in Iraq is not going as advertised.
This is true. It is going much, much better. Lots of lies packed in such a small space, Mr. Murtha. Once you served your country; now you are harming it.
We have a dinner engagement, I wish I was going to be here to watch this live.
My gosh, Murtha has Teddy Kennedy beat for the largest head in Congress! I didn't think it was possible to beat Teddy on sheer noggin mass!
Thank you very much. I will be watching to see what happens.
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