Posted on 11/18/2005 11:31:04 AM PST by Reagan Man
House Republicans sought a showdown Friday with Democrats on a proposal by one of their most senior members to force an end to the U.S. deployment of troops in Iraq.
Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., offered the resolution demanding a pullout. The GOP-run House was expected to reject it _ and make a prominent statement about where Congress stands on Iraq _ as the chamber scurried toward a Thanksgiving break.
"We'll let the members debate it and then let them vote on it," said Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the acting majority leader.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's office had no immediate comment.
Murtha, a well-respected Vietnam veteran who voted for the Iraq war, called for the immediate withdrawal of troops Thursday, intensifying the already red-hot debate on Capitol Hill over President Bush's war policies.
Murtha's resolution would force the president to withdrawal the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest predictable date."
Most Republicans oppose Murtha's plan, and even some Democrats have been reluctant to back his position. Republicans were seeking to force Democrats to stand with the respected 30-year congressman or go on the record against his proposal.
Some members of the House and Senate, looking ahead to off-year elections next November, are publicly worrying about a quagmire there. They have been staking out new positions on the war that has grown increasingly unpopular with the American public, resulted in more than 2,000 U.S. military deaths and cost more than $200 billion.
The House move comes just days after the GOP-controlled Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal. Spotlighting mushrooming questions from both parties about the war, though, the chamber then approved a statement that 2006 should be a significant year in which conditions are created for the phased withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency," Murtha, a longtime hawk on foreign and military affairs issues, said Thursday. "They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence. The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion."
A day after his comments, a U.S. field commander in Iraq countered the position of the usually pro-military congressman.
"Here on the ground, our job is not done," said Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team, when asked about Murtha's comments during a weekly briefing that American field commanders routinely give to Pentagon reporters.
Speaking from a U.S. logistics base at Balad, north of Baghdad, two days before his scheduled return to Texas, Brown said: "We have to finish the job that we began here. It's important for the security of this nation."
Republicans pounced, chastising Murtha for advocating what they called a strategy of surrender and abandonment, and Democrats defended Murtha as a patriot, even as they declined to back his view.
"I won't stand for the swift-boating of Jack Murtha," Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, responded Friday. Also a Vietnam veteran, Kerry was dogged during the campaign by a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that challenged his war record.
"There is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience," Kerry said.
For his part, Kerry has proposed a phased exit from Iraq, starting with the withdrawal of 20,000 troops after December elections in Iraq. A Kerry spokesman said "he has his own plan" when asked if Kerry agreed with immediate withdrawal.
As a Vietnam veteran and top Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee with close ties to many military officers, Murtha carries more credibility with his colleagues on the issue than a number of other Democrats who have opposed the war from the start.
Bush administration officials have been cautious in responding to Murtha.
"We have nothing but respect for Congressman Murtha's service to his country," White House communications director Nicolle Wallace told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "And I think he spoke from the heart yesterday. We happen to have a real serious policy disagreement with him."
Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, a 29-year Air Force veteran who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam for nearly seven years, called Murtha's position unconscionable and irresponsible. "We've got to support our troops to the hilt and see this mission through," he said.
With a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, Murtha retired from the Marine Corps reserves as a colonel in 1990 after 37 years as a Marine, only a few years longer than he's been in Congress. Elected in 1974, Murtha has become known as an authority on national security whose advice was sought out by Republican and Democratic administrations alike.
Just heard on CNN that Ellen Tauscher has been in the Dem. strategy session, and most of them plan on VOTING PRESENT...Rat Bas***ds.
You expect more from a group of surrendering cowards?
Hannity is thinking the Dems will maneuver to avoid the vote, so they won't 'go on record' as supporting the immediate pull out.
Kerry and his "plans".
Put up or shut up.
ahhhhh, stock, x2 stroke, "word" and speech.......I am your(?) hahaha
Were can I contribute?
Good idea, but no way are these weenies going to show up on the floor of the House for such a vote. Starting this afternoon we will see all the Dem. pundits and other spokespeople on CNN, Hardball, and various other MSM screaming to the top of their lungs that this a "ploy" and questioning the timing. Then when the actual vote comes, none of them will be there.
You watch, it'll be a voice vote with the chair declaring the winning side. There will not be a paper record of how anyone person votes.
| IF DEMS DON'T SHOW UP FOR IRAQ -- will Speaker Hastert order Sgt. at Arms to round them up? |
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| Posted by doug from upland On 11/18/2005 3:46:54 PM CST · 1 reply · 116+ views Hastert/Dreier/Blunt | 11-18-05 | Doug from Upland Dateline: Washington, D.C. Date: 11-18-05 Tonight at approximately 7pm Eastern, an historic vote will take place in the House of Representatives. The GOP is forcing the Democrats to get their votes on record as to whether troops should be immediately withdrawn from Iraq. This afternoon, I made calls to the offices of Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, Majority Whip Roy Blunt, and Rules Chairman David Dreier. The discussion was regarding a quorum. Because the Republicans currently hold 231 seats in the House, they will have a quorum to do business. They need 218 to be present. If a quorum... |
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Let's play "HARDBALL"
Murtha, a well-respected Vietnam veteran who voted for the Iraq war....
Republicans were seeking to force Democrats to stand with the respected 30-year congressman....
Murtha, a longtime hawk on foreign and military affairs issues....
A day after his comments, a U.S. field commander in Iraq countered the position of the usually pro-military congressman....
As a Vietnam veteran and top Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee with close ties to many military officers, Murtha carries more credibility with his colleagues on the issue than a number of other Democrats who have opposed the war from the start....
With a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, Murtha retired from the Marine Corps reserves as a colonel in 1990 after 37 years as a Marine, only a few years longer than he's been in Congress. Elected in 1974, Murtha has become known as an authority on national security whose advice was sought out by Republican and Democratic administrations alike.
And of course:
Also a Vietnam veteran, Kerry...
But this article is better than others, at least they quote one GOP congressman and mention his military experience.
Fat Cat Murtha is a patriot all right. In true demo-rat fashion he had an airport named after him in his district in Pennsylvania. How come the rats love to name building after themselves while they are still living. The only thing patriotic about him is his ability to bring home the pork in the arena of defense contractor bacon. Let's see how he votes tonight. Ha! The rats are cornered. All they can do now is blabber.
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