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Bush Urges China to Grant More Freedoms
guardian ^

Posted on 11/15/2005 4:16:37 PM PST by maui_hawaii

KYOTO, Japan (AP) - President Bush prodded China on Wednesday to grant more political freedom to its 1.3 billion people and held up rival Taiwan as an example of a society that has successfully moved from repression to democracy.

In remarks sure to rile Beijing, Bush said, ``Modern Taiwan is free and democratic and prosperous. By embracing freedom at all levels, Taiwan has delivered prosperity to its people and created a free and democratic Chinese society.''

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: asiavisit; bush43; china
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That'll really piss them off quite royally.
1 posted on 11/15/2005 4:16:37 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii

Not quite "Tear down this wall...!" but it'll have to do.


2 posted on 11/15/2005 4:20:01 PM PST by Dan Nunn (http://marklevinfan.com/Audio/WhyAreWeAtWar.wma)
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To: maui_hawaii
Never Forget.
3 posted on 11/15/2005 4:24:32 PM PST by mosquewatch.com
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To: Dan Nunn

Its more like "why can't you be more like your little brother [who is so much better than you at absolutely everything]"


4 posted on 11/15/2005 4:26:12 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii

And Big Brother China will take one look at us and say, "Ahhh, eef Taiwan so gooed, why you tradie with us?"


5 posted on 11/15/2005 4:28:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

And the US will say, "Taiwan owns 75% of all electronics manufacturing in China"...


6 posted on 11/15/2005 4:29:42 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii

What was our trade last year with Taiwan, and what was it with the mainland?


7 posted on 11/15/2005 4:31:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Bush Urges China to Grant More Freedoms

Not too likely. In China, as in the Middle East, 90+% of the time "mercy","benevolence", and "freedom" are looked upon with suspicion, as weakness, or a combination of both. The powers-that-be in China know that more freedoms is often the first clod of dirt on the(ir) coffin --politically and often literally.

8 posted on 11/15/2005 4:33:57 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: DoughtyOne
I would have to look it up...

If you just want a surface number thats relatively easy to find...

9 posted on 11/15/2005 4:35:07 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: DoughtyOne
The real deal regarding China is that MANY...I can't remember the exact stats.... of China's exports are foreign companies manufacturing in China.

And no, I am not talking all, or just US companies. We are talking 75% or so of China's exports are owned by Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Germany, the US, etc etc etc.

10 posted on 11/15/2005 4:38:33 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii

Thanks for the comments. That's interesting.

As for the exact trade figures, it's not necessary.

Bush has stood up and defended Taiwan fairly well. When he's gone I suspect we'll be back to Taiwan on the chopping block.

I don't think China is going to be too moved by the Taiwan example.


11 posted on 11/15/2005 4:41:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: maui_hawaii
``I have pointed out that the people of China want more freedom to express themselves ... to worship without state control ... and to print Bibles and other sacred texts without state control,'' Bush said.

I wonder if he managed to find a Christian Church to worship in?

Glad to see the President taking on China in the heart of it's Red Republic. This on top of the Australia/India/Japan/Taiwan allaince will pay dividends in the end as challeging the Coms in Europe did once.

12 posted on 11/15/2005 4:41:41 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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"In remarks sure to rile Beijing, Bush said, ``Modern Taiwan is free and democratic and prosperous. By embracing freedom at all levels, Taiwan has delivered prosperity to its people and created a free and democratic Chinese society.''"

Actually NOT. Bush is walking both sides.

He basically said China should become more like Taiwan, and that Taiwan IS PART OF CHINA ("free a democratic Chinese society", instead of "free and democratic TAIWANESE society"). So he's attempting to play both sides again.



13 posted on 11/15/2005 4:47:08 PM PST by pganini
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I am sure he will find one...The Chinese will make SURE he finds one.

Its going to kick off a whole new round of stuff though....

"Your President even came here to China and went to a Christian Church! Now why are you complaining about us persecuting Christians?"

14 posted on 11/15/2005 4:47:42 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: pganini
If you are Taiwanese independence activist who thinks "Chinese" is a dirty word, then he is playing both sides.

The fact is, most people in Taiwan identify themselves as being ethnically Chinese.

They can't stand the CCP, but none the less they still consider themselves ethnically Chinese of some stripe or sort.

The problem in the wording is the Communist party refers to "Chinese" as a political association, whereas the rest of us consider it a race of people.

15 posted on 11/15/2005 4:51:24 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii

That's not correct.

How about "America is a democratic ENGLISH society?"

Would that work? I don't think so!

Even the "president" of Taiwan, Chen Shui Bian, would claim that Taiwan is not part of China and Taiwan is for Taiwanese and they ain't the same.

In other words, Bush has in effect, affirmed the one-China policy again, as expected.


16 posted on 11/15/2005 4:54:40 PM PST by pganini
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To: pganini
Annette Lu said that she is ethnically Chinese but in no wise part of the mainland. The word "Chinese" is too politically charged.

How about "American people speak English."

Fact or not?

How about, "Many Americans have European ancestors."

What about that one?

17 posted on 11/15/2005 4:57:46 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
Good. Maybe he can get their government to allow people to smoke in bars or decide to ride a motorcycle without a helmet or decide for themselves if they want to drive with or without a seat belt. Oh wait....
18 posted on 11/15/2005 5:00:29 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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To: pganini

How about "American society has its roots in England. That's where it came from. Yet through revolution against tyranny, Americanism was born. Yet, none the less, many Americans have British roots in their ancestory and blood lines."


19 posted on 11/15/2005 5:01:44 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Blue Screen of Death

Liberatarian eh?


20 posted on 11/15/2005 5:02:29 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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