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LIVE THREAD - California special election (props 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80)
California Secretary of State- Special Statewide Election ^ | Tuesday evening November 8th

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:20:03 PM PST by ajolympian2004

TODAY, Californians are heading to the polls to vote on several major propositions that shall dramatically affect both the political and economic future of our state.

We are following the activity and will report the results.

California Propositions

2.8% of precincts reporting as of Nov 08 08:13 PM PST

Results: http://www.sfgate.com/election/

(Excerpt) Read more at vote2005.ss.ca.gov ...


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To: NormsRevenge

Boy, that'll show him.


1,401 posted on 11/09/2005 9:46:25 AM PST by Hildy
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To: newzjunkey

Most of us here never stopped reminding him he had veto power, but he sought the bipartisan route and we are all likely to pay more in the long run by his doing so, just like Bush erred in giving Kennedy his Education bonanza at the start of his first term.

You see how grateful Teddy and the c"Rats were for that "gesture".


1,402 posted on 11/09/2005 9:47:09 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Prime Choice

"How? Every election they drum up millions to support their own special brand of thuggery."

Probably. But the teachers unions have gone into debt fighting Arnold.


1,403 posted on 11/09/2005 9:49:12 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: SmithL

Ranting can be quite good for one's health, or so I hear. ;-)

Tom is no more damaged than he was when he ran in the REcall.

Just think of what a 13% solution would have meant to all of us. but I know, he was irrelevant and unelectable, yaknow. That's what the FR "experts" said .

The Gub can win again, the Rats will devour themselves and how can they keepp coming up with more money at this point, we still have the June '06 election to go thru,.


1,404 posted on 11/09/2005 9:50:07 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

So maybe another election ASAP might pass???????


1,405 posted on 11/09/2005 9:50:33 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: television is just wrong

Throw some propositions on the next election, and roll for it. Maybe these might pass???


1,406 posted on 11/09/2005 9:51:48 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Hildy

Well, I voted, and I would say our office voted 6 to 1 for the 5 major propositions... There are so many lefties moving in to take jobs that our schools fail to produce candidates for, I am afraid that is the way it is.

I was thinking last night that Arnolds 48% of the special election vote is not diminished more than a couple percent over these propositions. I dont think he is OUT by any means....but then again, if a DEM is elected, then look out:


Drivers of Illegal Aliens - Approved
State Provided Illegal Alien Car Insurance - Approved
Gay Marriage - Approved
Tripling of License Fees - Approved
California Living Wage - Approved
Medical Marijuana Bill - Appoved
CA Outsourcing Ban Bill - Approved
CA Bullet ID Act - Approved


1,407 posted on 11/09/2005 10:05:14 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: goldstategop
And no, I didn't vote yesterday - saw no reason to.

That's just sad.

1,408 posted on 11/09/2005 10:06:47 AM PST by StoneColdGOP ("The Republican Party is the France of politics" - Laz)
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To: television is just wrong

"So maybe another election ASAP might pass???????"


Never give up. Time and pressure. Its a very tough nut to crack no question. But its not about guranteed sucess. Its about doing what we know is right. Ill be damned if I give up. You give up you get nothing.

Basically one man. Arnold Schwarzenegger took on the massive unions that organized against him on a national level. He gave them a good run for the money just for them to maintain the status quo. That is no small thing.

We'll get those muthers someday!


1,409 posted on 11/09/2005 10:12:57 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: calcowgirl

Could you please explain to me WHY someone without a vested interest in keeping the status quo in the legislature would oppose Prop. 77?


1,410 posted on 11/09/2005 10:18:11 AM PST by StoneColdGOP ("The Republican Party is the France of politics" - Laz)
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To: ModelBreaker
any failures in CA would be blamed by the Old Media there on Schwartznegger. Responsibility for the state's problems would be diffused in the public's eye.

You weren't alone in expressing those opinions. I felt it was much better to let Davis crash the state -- it's inevitable anyhow as long as Dems/unions control the Legislature -- and show the voters who's responsible for the disaster.

There was a very active and vocal opposition to that view here on FR and of course it won the day. Now we've been handed our heads on a platter and can only watch hopelessly as CA goes down the tube with Republicans getting the blame. But I think you're an optimist about the rest of the country taking a lesson from this. Many "conservatives" talk a good fight but there's actually a Freeper admitting this a.m. he didn't vote "because it wouldn't make a difference." Such dedication! Such bravery!

I agree with your recommendations. I don't think many of us will be able to afford to stay in CA when the Flower Children in Sacramento eliminate Prop 13 and base new property taxes on the horribly inflated home valuations here. The unions own this state now and we'd just as well rename it the American Soviet Republic of California. Other American Soviet Republics to come -- Vermont and many more.

1,411 posted on 11/09/2005 10:21:44 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Hildy
And for all you MCCLINTOCK COULD HAVE WON Freepers out there, I demand an apology.

I honestly fail to see what Tom McClintock has to do with this.

1,412 posted on 11/09/2005 10:34:54 AM PST by jmc813 (Compassionate Conservatism is Gay)
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To: afnamvet
There is plenty of room in my "truck" to roll over RINOs and to stand firmly for the Constitution of the United States of America. Join me?

Yes. Hell yes. I'll even swap out the tires on that truck for a set of tank treads if it means rolling over more RINOs and resurrecting the Constitution!

1,413 posted on 11/09/2005 10:35:38 AM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: calcowgirl
I believe fiscal conservatism is a valid barometer. I just don't think Prop 76 was conservative.

Show me any other measure on the ballot or on the floor of the Legislature that would have been more fiscally conservative. Go ahead.

1,414 posted on 11/09/2005 10:37:26 AM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: jmc813

All you bigtime California Republicans just SWORE McClintock could have won if Conservatives showed up at the polls. Well, now we know how many Conservatives show up at the polls, don't we. At least admit you're wrong.


1,415 posted on 11/09/2005 10:53:03 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Bernard Marx
I felt it was much better to let Davis crash the state -- it's inevitable anyhow as long as Dems/unions control the Legislature -- and show the voters who's responsible for the disaster.

I mostly felt the same way. Arnold was able to avert the immediate fiscal crisis in the state through borrowing. But that just let people's sense of urgency for reform decline. So now the dumb Californians think every sweet sounding government program can just keep on spending more and more money in perpetuity.

Still, this was all less a left wing victory than a straight up "sheeple" election. If it were a left wing victory, then the two socialist propositions 79 (drug giveaway) and 80 (energy re-regulation) would have passed. The unions spent big money against Arnold's initiatives and they lost. The drug companies spend big money against 79 and it lost. The voters did what the TV told them to do.
1,416 posted on 11/09/2005 10:58:42 AM PST by feralcat
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To: Hildy; goldstategop
I'm still in shock that there are CA freepers who didn't even bother to vote. I'm so disgusted.

I voted, Hildy. I didn't vote based on polls or predictions. The propositions were noble and right and I especially wanted 73, 74 and 75 to pass, for values and for taking perks away from the left.

It's demoralizing enough to see the results this morning, but to see that FReepers who would have voted for the propositions did not vote at all and -- to top it off -- have the nerve to post about it here on the forum.

I have no patience for non-voters, especially when so many of our troops -- who have traditionally been the winners and maintainers of our freedoms and rights -- are in harm's way.

1,417 posted on 11/09/2005 11:07:47 AM PST by La Enchiladita (Request or send care packages for/to troops at www.opgratitude.com)
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To: tflabo

where do you think all the libs in Calif came from?...hell, the mass migration of libs from the east coast in the 60s and 70s.....so everyone can whine about Calif being so liberal which of course it is...though life here is not nearly as bad as you read in the papers.....I wish we could give some of these people back....so when others complain about Calif moving to their states.........remember alot of them are transplants......NOT natives........


1,418 posted on 11/09/2005 11:12:14 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Hildy
All you bigtime California Republicans just SWORE McClintock could have won if Conservatives showed up at the polls.

For one, I'm not from California. Polls showed that McClintock would have easily won the election had Arnold not been the spoiler. It was you moderate/liberal Republicans that screwed things up there, not the conservatives.

1,419 posted on 11/09/2005 11:14:15 AM PST by jmc813 (Compassionate Conservatism is Gay)
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To: Hildy

Especially since voting absentee takes a whole whopping 3 minutes out of your day? There really is no excuse for someone not to vote.


1,420 posted on 11/09/2005 11:15:28 AM PST by Serb5150 (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42)
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