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French youths riot again (Paris/France Riots Live Thread Night #13)
Reuters ^ | November 8, 2005 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 11/08/2005 3:10:54 AM PST by Dane

French youths riot again Tue Nov 8, 2005 10:16 AM GMT

Villepin announces curfews French officials, community leaders

By Tom Heneghan

PARIS (Reuters) - Youths rioted across France overnight, torching more than 1,000 vehicles, despite government plans to impose curfews to quell almost two weeks of unrest.

The protests, blamed on racism and unemployment, receded in the Paris region after shots were fired at police the previous night but continued unabated in other parts of France in the early hours of Tuesday, the Interior Ministry said.

Other countries watched nervously and some issued travel warnings. Five cars were torched overnight in Brussels, in addition to five set ablaze on Sunday, in what officials say might have been copycat attacks.

The renewed violence followed a warning by Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin that he would take a firm line against lawbreakers, including reinforcements for police and curfews, not seen in France since the Algerian war of 1954-1962.

Villepin's cabinet met on Tuesday and approved the steps.

"Wherever it is necessary, prefects will be able to impose a curfew," Villepin said, referring to the senior officials responsible for security in departments around the country.

A town east of Paris imposed its own curfew on minors on Monday evening and another to the west of the capital organised citizens' patrols to help the police.

Villepin said 1,500 police and gendarmes would be brought in to back up the 8,000 officers already deployed in areas hit by unrest. He also promised to accelerate urban renewal programmes and outlined other plans to help young people in poor suburbs.

MIXED REACTION TO VILLEPIN PLANS

Mayors of riot-hit towns welcomed the tougher line, but some asked what another measure announced by Villepin -- extended powers for them -- would actually mean in practice.

"Every time they announce more powers for mayors, they cut the funds," complained Jean-Christophe Lagarde, mayor of the northeastern Paris suburb of Drancy.

Elisabeth Guigou, a Socialist deputy from the northeastern Paris suburbs, said that invoking a curfew law passed during the Algerian war was "not the best reference" for fighting unrest among youths mostly of North African Arab and African origin.

The left-wing daily Liberation recalled in an editorial that Jacques Chirac was elected president in 1995 after pledging to repair France's "social fracture".

"Chirac's reign is a tragic farce," it wrote.

The opposition Socialists said Villepin had not done enough to give hope to those people in areas hit by the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.

"Beyond the necessary calls for order, what was missing in the prime minister's address was a social dimension, a message and precise commitments towards the people of these areas in difficulty," the Socialist Party said in a statement.

ANOTHER NIGHT OF VIOLENCE

France's conservative government has struggled to formulate a response that could halt the unrest, blamed by many youths on frustration over unemployment, harsh treatment by police and racism.

The violence has prompted warnings that the unrest could damage investment and tourism in France.

The Interior Ministry said 1,173 vehicles had been torched during the night, compared to 1,408 the previous night.

At least four police were hurt, compared with 36 on Sunday night. Some 330 rioters were detained.

In Toulouse, youths set fire to a bus and 21 cars, police said. At least two cars were set ablaze near Lille and two more in Strasbourg, Reuters reporters said.

Police said 14 cars were set alight in the Yvelines district west of Paris and 17 in Seine-Saint-Denis north of the capital, home to many Arab and African immigrants where the unrest began.

Officials in neighbouring Belgium played down the extent of the violence there, although there were also minor incidents of arson in Sint Niklaas in the north and Liege in the east.

"There were no riots. These were all very isolated incidents. Whoever set fire to the cars must have been influenced by the footage of what is going on in France," Brussels fire department spokesman Francis Boileau said.

(Additional reporting by Eric Faye in Paris)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crueligans; france; frenchifada; insurgency; intifada; jihad; parisriota; parisriots; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising; youths
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Probably.


121 posted on 11/08/2005 4:54:12 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: SauronOfMordor
It was like pulling teeth. I think reporters there are under a lot of pressure to bury the Muslim angle

They've a potential consumer market they are trying to appeal to. Core Islamacism rejects capitalism and consumerism, as I understand it. Perhaps, the MSM sees a new market challenge, and possibly some see the capitalist markets as a means to assimilating the youths/rioters/Islamacists.

There's a danger, IMHO, in the MSM not quite really understanding the nature of beliefs.

122 posted on 11/08/2005 4:54:38 AM PST by Alia
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To: Ellesu

Caption: les deux incompetents


123 posted on 11/08/2005 4:56:37 AM PST by noDixieCan
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To: Dane
I got the distinct impression from all of my AM radio news this morning that the unrest had died off significantly. The media is doing its best to ignore this.

And the band plays on.

124 posted on 11/08/2005 4:57:02 AM PST by freedomlover (This Fall a Woman will be the Mother of a Mouse)
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To: Dane
The protests, blamed on racism and unemployment, receded in the Paris region after shots were fired at police the previous night but continued unabated in other parts of France in the early hours of Tuesday, the Interior Ministry said.

The politicians should be cautious about the reasons they state for the rioting because the next statement will be that "poverty is the cause".....and France and Europe will go down the wrong path in their own War On Poverty like we did....leaving all their inner cities occupied by Islamic militants bent in Islamizing all of Europe.

125 posted on 11/08/2005 4:57:42 AM PST by Rapscallion (It goes far deeper than contempt of Congress. Government takes so much and gives so little.)
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To: OldFriend

The radio news I heard this morning: With a firm hand and a velvet glove, the Prime Minister announced that cities may enforce a curfew.

Such imagery! Such strength! I was absolutely stunned by the firm resolve!


126 posted on 11/08/2005 5:03:36 AM PST by PoplarBluffian
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To: mewzilla
You know what will get France to take this seriously: If the US issues a travel warning.

Yep. I know they've put out some warnings but not sure if anything official from State has come down.

127 posted on 11/08/2005 5:08:45 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: Dane

This has probably been mentioned already in this thread, but the smashing of the Australian terrorist plot makes clear that the rioting in France is part of an orchestrated Mohammedan separatist campaign timed to coincide with Ramadan.


128 posted on 11/08/2005 5:09:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Paladin2
I think they had some type of Nazi demonstration (regarding the danger of the neighborhood) in a "dangerous" neighborhood in Toledo, Ohio. The locals went wild but I believe that order was restored within a day without any Federal assistance.

The nazis marched through a working middle class largely polish and slavic neighborhood. The locals from other neighborhoods (let's be honest here - they were black gangs) took that as a opportunity to loot and pillage.

129 posted on 11/08/2005 5:10:39 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: OldFriend

These RATS will pick any target that will bend to them..As all rats they go after a sure thing..And France was first and then comes other weak countries..Strange how rats will turn on the very people that tried to help them before we went into Iraq..


130 posted on 11/08/2005 5:13:22 AM PST by Beth528
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To: Beth528

BUMP!


131 posted on 11/08/2005 5:14:24 AM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: TN4Bush
Tiki even mentioned that the Muslim's want to be Muslim's in France not French.

That was cool. Tiki's stock went way up in my book.

132 posted on 11/08/2005 5:15:42 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thank you so very much..this everyone should read and not sit back and wait for the rats to attack us..


133 posted on 11/08/2005 5:18:47 AM PST by Beth528
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To: Aquinasfan

>> This has probably been mentioned already in this thread, but the smashing of the Australian terrorist plot makes clear that the rioting in France is part of an orchestrated Mohammedan separatist campaign timed to coincide with Ramadan. <<

I was thinking this very thing this morning. Worrisome.


134 posted on 11/08/2005 5:22:59 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: PoplarBluffian
"The radio news I heard this morning: With a firm hand and a velvet glove, the Prime Minister announced that cities may enforce a curfew.

Such imagery! Such strength! I was absolutely stunned by the firm resolve!"
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My hope is the riots go on and on, with France ramping up one weak responce after another, Until the Whole of France and EU sees that the results of a policy of Unlimited Immigration from countries who colonize areas and bring them under Muslim law..IN Detroit suburbs we have call to prayer blasted while church bells are prohibited..These riots seem like a rehearsal for some future action, and from what we have seen, a truly violent attack would succeed in taking out the Government in France while they tried to decide how to respond as they are doing now. If I were a Frenchman I would be very very worried about the takeover the Country.
135 posted on 11/08/2005 5:23:42 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Alia
There's a danger, IMHO, in the MSM not quite really understanding the nature of beliefs.

To them, religion is "the opiate of the masses." Give the people cake, and religion will no longer be necessary.

Bad assumption.

The truth is that a religion that promises an afterlife will always defeat a secular army in battle, because the religious fighters have something to die for.

136 posted on 11/08/2005 5:27:25 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Dane
France's conservative government

What in the world would a lefty French government look like ?

137 posted on 11/08/2005 5:29:22 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: ovrtaxt
Furthermore, licenses to purchase and to bear weapons, relevant parts of weapons, weapons accessories and ammunition are forbidden for nationals from the following States: Algeria, Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Macedonia, Sri-Lanka, Turkey

These guys have got their act together !!

138 posted on 11/08/2005 5:32:33 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
"What in the world would a lefty French government look like ?"

Iran?

139 posted on 11/08/2005 5:32:34 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: mewzilla

There were 4 shootings in Camden and Philadelphia yesterday.
I believe they were all teens. France has rioting teens burning vehicles and businesses. Maybe a travel warning to Philadelphia would be in order? America had 16,000 murders in one year.
America seem to be more dangerous than France or Baghdad.


140 posted on 11/08/2005 5:37:39 AM PST by oldironsides
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