More likely than not tho, the leaders of FRance will act too late and suffer the same fate as their predecessors, thus once again perpetuating a legacy of shame and ignominy.
Posted on 11/07/2005 9:14:24 PM PST by FairOpinion
Paris - Riots in France's poor city suburbs appeared to be spiralling out of control on Monday after the worst night of violence to date, in which more than 30 police were injured and 1 400 cars burnt across the country.
"The shockwave has spread from Paris to the provinces," said Michel Gaudin, director-general of the national police.
For an 11th night in a row youths predominantly from France's large Arab-Muslim minority rampaged through their out-of-town neighbourhoods, setting fire to vehicles, businesses and public buildings and attacking police with stones and other projectiles.
Police figures showed that 1 408 vehicles were destroyed overnight - more than previous record of 1 300 on Saturday - and 395 people arrested. Most of the cars - nearly 1 000 - were targeted in towns and cities outside Paris, reflecting the way the violence has spread from its original flashpoint.
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Suprised that no one replied to your comments nic. That is amazing.
It would be interisting to hear what your feeling on this are since you have the experience.
The French, or the Muslims?
The media's making up stories as they go along.....your confusion is merely a result of them trying to get their story straight. : )
I can also see the British Army cutting off the Channel Tunnel very soon.
More likely than not tho, the leaders of FRance will act too late and suffer the same fate as their predecessors, thus once again perpetuating a legacy of shame and ignominy.
LOL! She's safe. Muslims won't touch pork.
I have to admit, I'm enjoying this immensely. An arrogant, self-righteous, back-stabbing, anti-American, completely unarmed citizenry gets walked on by their resident rag-heads, while their corrupt, posturing "leaders" do absolutely nothing to protect them. Sure looks like justice to me. But maybe Dan Rather can be dispatched to Paris with some documents from Kinko's proving this is all a plot cooked up by Bush and Rove.
Starting to see attention turning to where this must have originated, as well as where it is likely to go, so I'll throw my two cents in here.
Clearly planned, probably start to finish, smells like Ayman Zawahiri to me.
Can AQ take and hold France? Yes, if the French let them, which the French will probably not overtly do.
Can AQ demonstrate their ability to cause a wishy-washy western "ally" to cave to their demands, ala Spain?
Yes.
Will a French cave allow AQ and Co. greater latitude operating on the continent?
Maybe some, but they've accomplished similar objectives in Spain already, so the net difference of a behind the scenes paradigm shift in Paris won't change the balance of the scales much.
Obviously an overt takeover would be very different, but it is inconcievable that French pride would allow that.
When the terrorists think the French have squirmed, groveled, and acceeded to enough demands to underscore AQ's point, the riots will stop, for now.
If the terrorists get cold feet, (no fear of death, fear of maneuver that threatens political gains made in France to date), they will probably call it a day and settle for what they've achieved so far.
Is there a connection with the Australian terror plot recently thwarted? Well, there would have been, had it not been thwarted.
Terrorism is primarily a political exercise. You can make a case that AQ would presumably lower their standards until they could succeed in some kind, any kind of attack inside the US as follow-up to 9/11, but while I'm not about to let my guard down, there's little strategic gain in a silly looking inconsequential attack here in the great Satan, when our allies are still in good shape and easier pickings.
That makes the French riots one of three things in AQ's overall strategy.
1. More Spain, more of a threat to our allies, "do it our way or we'll hose you like we did France".
2. Admission that they cannot achieve the level of attack they wish to in the US. Don't laugh, some of these guys at the top level are reasonably sharp, but the grunts aren't exactly rocket scientists, and they fail on a regular basis.
Case in point, shoe dufus Richard Reid.
Still, probably not an admission that they can't, just that they haven't yet. They also labor under some assumptions that raise the bar for them. I can think of ways to put America on its knees, but I live here, and I don't care about many of the things terrorists care about, like sheer raw terror for instance.
I see a bigger picture, I would concentrate on real military advantage, but they have yet to see things my way, and I don't intend to help them along.
3. A prelude, several elements in conjunction, riots in France, something ugly in Germany, something else in Japan perhaps, Saudi and Pakistan are always easy prey, and who knows, maybe they've sucked it up enough to take another shot at the big prize. Stay tuned.
An interesting aside....The Europeans doing our current dirty work...leaning on Iran...just...permitted...the UN to pass a resolution Tehran really isn't too happy about.
Some say that Sayed Bin Laden is running the show on the day to day basis now, from a Pasdaran camp about 60 km from Tehran, a place called Lavizan. Some may remember this location from stories on a different subject. Sat imagery showing the Iranians bulldozing all the topsoils off the WMD facilities there and replacing it with clean, fresh, ucontaminated dirt instead.
So if Osama really has retired, and the Iranians really are upset over UN sanctions looming on the horizon, and they blame Europe, and they already popped the London subways, France now makes even more sense, both in view of retired Chairman of the Board Bin Laden, and the Taliban in control of the country where the headquar....wait...not Taliban, the new folks running the country AQ calls home now. Honest mistake, I swear.
;-)
One more point of interest, France doesn't seem to be the only place "Islam versus Other" riots are springing up.
Little brou-ha-ha in western Iran this week too.
Is it possible that porous borders are porous in two directions?
Iran has a lot of borders.
Sorry, not experience, just relaying accounts I've read occurring in France.
It doesn't look to be greatly organized. There have been no IEDs, no suicide bombers, no hijackers, no pirates.
The US can likely stand 9-12 months of this sort of crapola (not that we would, of course; citizens would be gunning these vermin down well before then), but France cannot.
Sell the Euro on ANY rally until (haha) such time as the froggies decide they'd rather live than be thought uncivil to ''oppressed'' minorities.
Don't forget Berlin (cars torched) and Bremen (cars and a school).
I'm curious as to how the 'normal' population is viewing all the meyhem. Are gun sales up, knives? What are the regular French doing in anticipation of worse actions? Are people leaving town, what?
"It makes me wonder if we are witnessing the death of a western nation."
Try the death of western civilization.....there isn't a politician in Washington with the gonads to take any action against islam. We are all laughing at France right now, making fun of their inaction. But when the assault on civilization begins in the US, our government is going to do the same thing, just as they are doing now, kiss muslim butt while telling them how peaceful they are and giving them the keys to the kingdom. It will be up to the citizens of the US to take action, against the orders of our government, to snuff out islam.
where are the mothers and fathers?.......why are they allowing their "boys" to do this.....in reality, they are only hurting themselves and their communities.....
A Washpo article today stated emphatically that Islam and Muslims have absolutely nothing, zilch, nada to do with the restive youths. It's merely a natural reaction to discrimination and poverty, and you or I would have the exact same reaction. (If we were Muslim, that is...)
From everything I have read, my mother wit tells me that yes, the rotten social situation there has certainly aggravated the Muslims. BUT - apparently their own behavior has aggravated the social situation! And socialist policies and French rigidity of business rules, and communists in control of labor unions, makes it a hellhole.
And, it is undeniable, that the youths, no matter what their age, have been raised Muslim. Whether they are "good" Muslims, "bad" Muslims, who knows. Who cares.
I was thinking scrap metal companies.
Are you advising that the French need to retaliate according to muslim PC rules?
I think most of us are looking at it the same way. But, there was another thread here yesterday that linked to a French forum where French people were talking. Comments were pro-American and claimed CNN is slanted and presenting the wrong view about how the French feel. It was amazing.
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