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France reacts to 'shockwave of riots'(Paris/France burns Live Thread Night #12)
Times of London ^ | 11/07/05 | Simon Freeman, Charles Bremner

Posted on 11/07/2005 2:44:49 AM PST by Dane

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To: 1066AD

His mother is Greek/Jewish.


601 posted on 11/07/2005 7:24:50 PM PST by madison10
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To: Vicomte13

THE CHIRAC DOCTRINE (SNIP)

http://www.meforum.org/article/772


"...The deaths of Hafez al-Assad, Arafat, and Hariri, as well as the ouster of Saddam Hussein suggest that the political benefits of the Chirac doctrine may be fleeting. Developing relationships takes time. The new Iraqi government resents the French embrace of Saddam Hussein. If other Middle Eastern dictatorships succumb to the tentative wave of democratization, there is no guarantee they will embrace Paris or honor commercial accords made
under dictatorship. But growing Islamist pressure inside France may, nevertheless, push Chirac and his successors to pursue an even more pro-Arab policy. The legacy of the Chirac doctrine, though, may not be the French grandeur that Chirac and his allies seek, but rather a reputation for cynicism, hostility to democracy and reform, and association with the worst excesses of Middle Eastern society.
The deaths of Hafez al-Assad, Arafat, and Hariri, as well as the ouster of Saddam Hussein suggest that the political benefits of the Chirac doctrine may be fleeting. Developing relationships takes time. The new Iraqi government resents the French embrace of Saddam Hussein. If other Middle Eastern dictatorships succumb to the tentative wave of democratization, there is no guarantee they will embrace Paris or honor commercial accords made under dictatorship. But growing Islamist pressure inside France may, nevertheless, push Chirac and his successors to pursue an even more pro-Arab policy. The legacy of the Chirac doctrine, though, may not be the French grandeur that Chirac and his allies seek, but rather a reputation for cynicism, hostility to democracy and reform, and association with the worst excesses of Middle Eastern society.

The deaths of Hafez al-Assad, Arafat, and Hariri, as well as the ouster of Saddam Hussein suggest that the political benefits of the Chirac doctrine may be fleeting. Developing relationships takes time. The new Iraqi government resents the French embrace of Saddam Hussein. If other Middle Eastern dictatorships succumb to the tentative wave of democratization, there is no guarantee they will embrace Paris or honor commercial accords made under dictatorship. But growing Islamist pressure inside France may, nevertheless, push Chirac and his successors to pursue an even more pro-Arab policy. The legacy of the Chirac doctrine, though, may not be the French grandeur that Chirac and his allies seek, but rather a reputation for cynicism, hostility to democracy and reform, and association with the worst excesses of Middle Eastern society."
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(There's something about lying down with dogs and getting up with fleas...do you need a french translation?)


602 posted on 11/07/2005 7:25:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: Dark Skies

"How do you know what Villepin dreams..."

Perhaps because Villepin published a book about Napoleon's 100 Days and does not hide his unabashed admiration for Napoleon in his writings and speaking engagements?


603 posted on 11/07/2005 7:26:53 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Spktyr
"You would be completely, utterly, and totally incorrect. But then, you're French, so you must be used to that."

Vicomte13 has been on our side for a long time now Hoss.

604 posted on 11/07/2005 7:27:44 PM PST by Earthdweller (Earth to liberals..we were not in Iraq on 9/11..so how did the war cause terrorism again?)
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To: Enchante
Also do not underestimate the powerful effect on the society that returning veterans of the American War had when they brought the ideas and experiences back from America with them.

This was written to you by another poster but I wanted to warn you...my booze sniffing dog told me that this comment reeked of cheap Scotch.

605 posted on 11/07/2005 7:27:47 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Fred Nerks

"(There's something about lying down with dogs and getting up with fleas...do you need a french translation?)"


No, I think I got it.


606 posted on 11/07/2005 7:28:16 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
Perhaps because Villepin published a book about Napoleon's 100 Days and does not hide his unabashed admiration for Napoleon in his writings and speaking engagements?

Oh my goodness. That reminds me to get my coif trimmed tomorrow. I wonder if reading books can turn sissies into men. "Mommie, where are my Churchill books? Get them for me, I am feeiing rather masculine tonight."

607 posted on 11/07/2005 7:31:35 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies


LOL! I won't. I'm quitting. A good FReeper friend just told me, 'use your energies on those whose development holds out hope.'

All we are getting here is propaganda of the regurgitated variety.


608 posted on 11/07/2005 7:33:55 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: Dark Skies; Vicomte13

I've found le vicomte to be truthful in his past posts. I suspect he is caught up in head scratching as is everyone in France. After all, they really, really do believe their system would make everyone happy.


609 posted on 11/07/2005 7:37:44 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Nowhere Man

If they rounded the rioters up and shot them it would make a more lasting impact.


610 posted on 11/07/2005 7:38:30 PM PST by mysonsfuture
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To: Fred Nerks
Look at my #607, I am drifting to that lowest common denominator.

Desperate I tell ya...desperate!!!

611 posted on 11/07/2005 7:39:26 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Earthdweller; Vicomte13
Vicomte13 has been on our side for a long time now Hoss.

Basing your argument on your seniority is just another way to avoid the topic.

NOOBS.

;)

612 posted on 11/07/2005 7:40:59 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: investigateworld

I suspect you are correct...but instead of being dumfounded, he is still defensive. Strange response.


613 posted on 11/07/2005 7:41:34 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: madison10

"Is the insurrection an Islam thing, or poverty of the citizens issue?"

Sorry, but you shouldn't be asking me that question. I am a descendant of immigrants who arrived in Australia with one suitcase of belongings between three people. We lived in a shack without plumbing or power and rode bicycles to work - so you see, my reply would be biased against buer yoots who burn 28.000 motor vehicles in less than a year - or a thousand in one night, for that matter, while yelling
Allah akbar!

You're pulling my leg, right?


614 posted on 11/07/2005 7:44:27 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: Plutarch; Squantos
I'm not up on the latest California gun laws and would have to defer to Squantos' superior knowledge of firearms.

My best advise is to find a firearm that you are comfortable with and practice, practice, practice. Shot placement is much more important that caliber. No one ever died from a loud noise. You must be able to hit what you are shooting at.

Another thing to remember, targets don't shoot back. I've never been in a gunfight, but I once had to draw on another human being that presented a threat. A friend and myself were in the back country and outnumbered. Three pickup trucks rolled in on our campsite. Driver of the lead truck got out and acted aggressively. Upon seeing that we were armed and prepared to use lethal force the group backed off and left. Neither of us slept the rest of the night too worried that they night return.

The prospect of having to take a life is a VERY chilling and downright SCAREY experience. Violence happens fast and you won't have time to think if your unlucky enough to find yourself in such a situation.

My best advice is to choose a weapon you are comfortable with, get LOTS of training and PRATICE.
615 posted on 11/07/2005 7:46:48 PM PST by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: LikeLight
The Solution...


616 posted on 11/07/2005 7:49:26 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Dark Skies
Feeling as if bending over backwards doesn't work?

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617 posted on 11/07/2005 7:49:31 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: Vicomte13
My daughter was in SW France when the US went into Iraq. Vandals came and scrawled "Vive Saddam" and pro-Palestinian inifada slogans on the walls by her place. They came back later and threw rocks through the window. It took the police 40 minutes to arrive from the station less than 1 mile away.

I'm sure the young folk did this simply because they wanted jobs ( /sarcasm).

618 posted on 11/07/2005 7:50:23 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Fred Nerks

He/she needs to do what all writers must do. He/she needs to step away from his/her pronouncements. Truth (as pronounced) will stand or fall on its own. And the truth will rise above the one who proclaims it (except for One who was the embodiment of It).


620 posted on 11/07/2005 7:56:43 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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