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Thousand cars torched in latest French riots(Paris/France burns, Live Thread Night #11)
Reuters ^ | 11/06/05 | Elisabeth Pineau

Posted on 11/06/2005 5:07:47 AM PST by Dane

Thousand cars torched in latest French riots Sun Nov 6, 2005 12:17 PM GMT

By Elisabeth Pineau

PARIS (Reuters) - Gangs of youths torched 1,300 vehicles overnight in the 10th consecutive night of violence in Paris's poor suburbs and major French towns, despite the deployment of thousands of extra police.

Cars were burnt out in the historic centre of Paris for the first time on Saturday night. In the normally quiet Normandy town of Evreux, a shopping mall, 50 vehicles, a post office and two schools went up in flames.

Authorities have so far found no way beyond appeals and more police to address a problem with complex social, economic and racial causes.

Evreux mayor Jean-Louis Debre, a confidant of President Jacques Chirac and speaker of the lower house of parliament, told France Info radio:

"To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it."

The deaths 10 days ago of two youths apparently fleeing police ignited pent up frustrations among young men, many of them Muslims of North and black African origin, at racism, unemployment, their marginal place in French society and their treatment by the police.

"Many youths have never seen their parents work and couldn't hold down a job if they got one," said Claude Chevallier, manager of a burned-out carpet depot in the rundown Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois.

But authorities now say the rolling nightly riots are being organised via the Internet and mobile phones, and have pointed the finger at drug traffickers and Islamist militants.

Overnight, 1,295 vehicles were torched across France, the highest total so far, police said. An extra 2,300 officers have been drafted in.

Seven police helicopters buzzed over the Paris region through the night, filming disturbances and directing mobile squads to incidents. Overnight, police made 349 arrests.

The number of incidents in the Paris region was similar to the night before, but in the provinces it was up sharply.

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The violence has tarnished France's image abroad, forcing Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin to cancel a trip to Canada, while Russia and the United States have warned their citizens to avoid Paris's troubled suburbs.

Villepin has combined a call for an end to the riots with dialogue with community leaders, youngsters and local officials, and has promised an action plan for 750 tough neighbourhoods.

"I'll make proposals as early as this week," the weekly Journal du Dimanche quoted him as saying.

But it remained unclear what could stop the violence, though some opposition parties have suggested a symbolic measure -- the resignation of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

Accused of stoking passions by calling troublemakers "scum", Sarkozy has ignored calls to quit. A survey published on Sunday indicated his public image was holding up, even if many disapproved of his strong language.

Villepin also has ambitions to be the right wing's presidential candidate in 2007 and has tried to position himself as a much more consensual figure than Sarkozy; the effect on the crisis on his ratings is still unclear.

With no end in sight to the nights of wailing sirens, acrid smoke, stone-throwing and destruction, residents from all ethnic backgrounds are tiring of the unrest.

"My kids can't sleep at night," said a mother named Samia in Aulnay-sous-Bois. "They hear explosions, they see fires and they think they're in a war. When the slightest thing happens, they get anxious and say 'Mama, what's going on?'"


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KEYWORDS: charlesmartel; france; insurgency; parisriots
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To: LikeLight
Anyone hearing reports of looting? So far I havent.

But just in case...

I imagine the police will fight back now that 30 of them have been at least wounded. Its past time to crack some skulls.

421 posted on 11/06/2005 1:21:51 PM PST by No Blue States (TEXANS - VOTE NOV 8 FOR PROP 2 - MARRIAGE PROTECTION AMENDMENT!)
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To: LikeLight; samtheman; All

LOL! to both your replies.

Back to trying to translate: I hope I heard this wrong, but I thought they just said that public transportation is "severely affected"--wonder what that means.


422 posted on 11/06/2005 1:23:26 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: indcons

The French are reaping thier hypocrisy.

They pretend to be enlightened and moral etc.

In reality, France is 20 times more racist than America. In reality, the poor are maligned and hated much more there.


423 posted on 11/06/2005 1:24:58 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Dane

IIRC, Notre Dame Cathedral is on Ile de la Cite and the other smaller island is Ile Saint-Louis.


424 posted on 11/06/2005 1:25:22 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: proud American in Canada

It's really sad that FR and a couple of blogs are the best sources for information. I've been watching Euronews and LCI, and there's pretty much a press blackout until the next day. There are absolutely no live reports from the center of it all.


425 posted on 11/06/2005 1:26:01 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Dane
The gangs have thrown down the gauntlet to the French state, and are now daring them to retake these areas and reassert French state authority. The police have been overwhelmed, and Chirac would rather appease than call in the army. Unless this situation changes suddenly, the Islamists will have won and the French government will have relinquished de facto control over substantial areas of suburban Paris. The Islamists will be in control, and a French version of Hamas will establish itself in short order as the power to be reckoned with.
426 posted on 11/06/2005 1:26:04 PM PST by mojito
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Your exquisite rant bears repeating...

2 Timothy 3:10b said it like this,
"... if any would not work, neither should he eat."


Let me be the first to buy these idiots a clue in that they aren't in the North and in Africa anymore. There's this strange concept called work which entails one showing up appropriately dressed, able to speak the language, have rudimentary skills, be able to get along with all different types of people and perform the work the boss instructs you to do. And yes, bunkie, you will not be the boss, you will have a boss, someone who tells you what to do, how to do it and when to do it. If you perform to the boss's satisfaction he will use a method called a paycheck to pay you for a job done. One word of caution, if you don't do your work correctly you are likely to find a pretty colored pink slip in the same envelope as your paycheck came in. The pink slip isn't there because they want to honor you or because someone decided they liked the color pink that particular week. The pink slip means "Good bye, don't come back, we didn't like the way you were doing the job we told you to do."




427 posted on 11/06/2005 1:28:59 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Muslims in America would never allow ABORTION!!!)
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To: Torie
Ok, you win. It is a Jihadist Islamic conspiracy centrally controlled from somewhere. Now what?

Get out of town. You win.

There are no jihadists involved. Whatever Jihadists are in France have decided not to inflame and instigate the rioting because it wouldn't be fair.

Also let's forget the French government's newly-found criticisms of Syria, Iran and their own yoot gangs. The jihadists certainly would never react to all of that and even if they did, those "youth gangs of North African/Muslim origin" certainly wouldn't listen to such trouble-making Jihadists because again, it wouldn't be fair.

428 posted on 11/06/2005 1:29:08 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jo Nuvark
the Eiffel Tower cannot burn UP, but it can MELT DOWN along with the rest of France, which is made of jello.

Once while in Paris, I had a good view of the Eiffel Tower while in the tub and I had to wonder why anyone would want it as a landmark - it is just an ugly piece of steel in the daytime. It did put on the world's best fireworks display at the millenium.

429 posted on 11/06/2005 1:30:37 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: FreeReign

Cute. I was looking for a policy prescription actually, given the dire threat your laser like mind unearthed.


430 posted on 11/06/2005 1:31:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: Dark Skies; proud American in Canada
IIRC, Notre Dame Cathedral is on Ile de la Cite and the other smaller island is Ile Saint-Louis

Thank you, you are correct, Notre Dame, is located on the isle de Cite(an island in the Seine and considered the heart of Paris).

Arghh, damn Parisians, and the french language. :^).

431 posted on 11/06/2005 1:31:25 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

Unbelievable is right. They need to get some real guns.

I seem to be one of the few Freepers who does not blame this on the fact that the young people are Muslims.

It is contributing to it in the online forums etc. egging on the violence, but the ultimate cause was very complex and involved the French ghettozation of the N. African immigrants, their mistreatment, the racism in the society, the poverty, the class conflict, and a Jihadist mindset among the more radical youth elements of the Muslims in reaction to their hatred of the French government and others for how they were mistreated.

This all came together. That is how a really small incident of two kids accidentally being electrocuted turned into this massive riot. The fact that they are Muslims can't account for that reaction alone.


432 posted on 11/06/2005 1:32:15 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: FreeReign; All

Per Fox, now 10 policemen hit by bullets in Grigny, 30 km south of Paris.


433 posted on 11/06/2005 1:32:55 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: All

Fox just reporting 10 policemen hit by bullets in Grigny, France


434 posted on 11/06/2005 1:33:22 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: proud American in Canada
Have you heard them say anything more about Marseille? It was reported a couple days ago they had rioting but nothing since so was wondering if they had put it down and if so, how?

Can a country declare martial law if they have no real military?

435 posted on 11/06/2005 1:34:23 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: nicmarlo
"Fox just reporting 10 policemen hit by bullets in Grigny, France"

Wth? Are they not shooting back? How does this ever end?

436 posted on 11/06/2005 1:34:46 PM PST by No Blue States (TEXANS - VOTE NOV 8 FOR PROP 2 - MARRIAGE PROTECTION AMENDMENT!)
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8 mayors of affected areas "sacrified their Sunday morning" to meet and make an appeal to federal 2 police severely hurt. One mayor said, the solution is not to increase the police, that will only anger them.

shooting by hunting rifles is what hurt the two police

school burned, didn't catch where

bus burned, 2 passengers burned. Bus traffic has completely stopped tonight---the president of the bus drivers union was just talking--he was talking fast, but I believe the bus drivers have stopped driving because they are afraid to be attacked.


437 posted on 11/06/2005 1:35:28 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: nicmarlo
Per Fox, the infobabe said that the French may call in their Army.

Why does that old Monty Python line of "run away, run away", come to mind.

438 posted on 11/06/2005 1:35:31 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: mojito
Unless this situation changes suddenly, the Islamists will have won and the French government will have relinquished de facto control over substantial areas of suburban Paris.

Absolutely. There is only one solution--put this insurrection down hard. Chirac lost his chance for a quick solution. Now it will be guerrilla warfare.

Chirac may see France as a center of refinement, but when facing a bully, you have to toss refinement aside and fight like a street brawler.

439 posted on 11/06/2005 1:35:51 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: daybreakcoming
Organized crime is probably keeping Marseilles peaceful. The drug trade is probably still controlled there by Corsicans.
440 posted on 11/06/2005 1:36:09 PM PST by Torie
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