Intifada in France

The New York Sun ^ | November 4, 2005 | New York Sun Staff Editorial

[JohnLongIsland]

If President Chirac thought he was going to gain peace with the Muslim community in France by taking an appeasement line in the Iraq war, it certainly looks like he miscalculated. Today the streets of the French capital are looking more like Ramallah and less like the advanced, sophisticated, gay Paree image Monsieur Chirac likes to portray to the world, and the story, which is just starting to grip the world's attention, is full of ironies. One is tempted to suggest that Prime Minister Sharon send a note cautioning Monsieur Chirac about cycles of violence.

Back in the 1990s, the French sneered at America for the Los Angeles riots. As the Chicago Sun-Times reported in 1992: "the consensus of French pundits is that something on the scale of the Los Angeles riots could not happen here, mainly because France is a more humane, less racist place with a much stronger commitment to social welfare programs." President Mitterrand, the Washington Post reported in 1992, blamed the riots on the "conservative society" that Presidents Reagan and Bush had created and said France is different because it "is the country where the level of social protection is the highest in the world."

[Reaganesque]

There's a much better article to send to your son's teacher: "Barbarians at the Gates of Paris" by Theodore Dalrymple. Despite the title, it is one of the most even handed and prescient articles I've read recently about the situation in France. Check it out.

[OKSooner]

"One is tempted to suggest that Prime Minister Sharon send a note cautioning Monsieur Chirac about cycles of violence. "

Hear, hear!

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

(teacher gave him detention!) She can read this while he sits in detention! By the way, we live in MASS...Liberalism is a prerequisite to getting a teaching job!

Sowing the seeds of our own demise.

[ml/nj]

Some react to this by suggesting a halt to immigration and even expulsion. The better approach is to impose law and order, more speedily to reform the burdensome welfare state, and start integrating the Muslim community.

While I agree with the tone of most of this editorial, it unfortunately ends with this sad, politically correct recommendation. Where exactly is the author's model for "integrating the Muslim community"? These vermin must be eradicated, not integrated.

ML/NJ

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

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[klva]

I attended a psychology conference last year, and went to a session for new
professors, which was supposed to discuss issues new teachers face.

Topics discussed included: "how do we "reach" students in the intro
classes, because by the time they get to the 200 level, they may not be as
malleable," "how do we criticize the war and the military without upsetting students who have relatives serving," "how do we tell conservative students all of their values are wrong," and "how to go about forcing students to volunteeer for instructors' liberal pet causes."

That was before the Iraq war "debate" at lunch time, and the post-lunch speech by a black professor who argued evangelicals will roll back Brown v. Board of Ed. Very educational conference. Those were only a few of the highlights.

[ConsentofGoverned]

"Ahhhhhhh...it's a plague...millions and millions, and more millions...please, that's hardly rational. Is it bad yes, is it that bad...no. "
..........................................
The HS dept and INS have both stated we have over 11 million illegals in this country today. If anything one would expect them to low ball the number, so no millions and millions is unfortunately not exaggerated. And As I voted for the Man I find it in part my fault that HE has done nothing in 5 years!!

[Jim Noble]

I thought schadenfreude was a german word.

Also yiddish.

[goldstategop]

The MSM is missing the big story, which is that the French model of "social protection" failed to eliminate poverty and inequality for millions in France. The dirigste statist model of guaranteed employment, free medical care, and lavish social benefits bred high unemployment, long waits for needed care, and a selfish ethos in which French citizens are only concerned about what's in for them today, the future be damned. Mark Steyn's vignette about a French man concealing his mother's death to continue receiving her benefit check proves the point nicely. Like Russia, France is in a death spiral as a result of socialism and France leaders lack the will to rescue her from it. Islam is a menace to be sure but its not the immediate danger facing the country. Its the very social system French leaders take such pride in that set off last week's explosion, that's in urgent need of fundamental reform. If the French model worked, there should be no unrest in the Paris suburbs. Here the storyline is a graphic refutation of the viability of that model in the sense the pictures convey the reality better than dozens of academic studies. Whether France is willing to reconsider its welfare state depends on the perception the country is at a turning point and somehow, I don't think its near the point where France's leaders have to institute drastic changes to save the country.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We're Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[one more state]

What does this do for the EU? Is there a way the EU can become Muslim?

[moose2004]

What BS film were they watching?

[Tigen]

This is coming to a street near all of us!

[Chanticleer]

Yikes! Worse than I imagined!

[Nextrush]

the Fourth Republic...the Fifth Republic....the Islamic Republic.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

The irony is that even as the Franco-German axis is doing everything possible to prevent accession talks with Turkey its constituent parts are gradually-but inexorably-becoming Muslim states.

It's anyone's guess which nation will implement sharia law first, France or Turkey.

[L98Fiero]

WTF does a thread about France have to do with Bush's border policy (or lack thereof)?

[in hoc signo vinces]

Ahhhhhhh...and how long, exactly, did it take those 11 million to get in this country... only five years? (I'll concede for arguements sake that the are vastly mexican illegals) C'mon...let's be intellectually honest about the subject in terms of time frame.

The point is...there are not millions and million crossing tbe border every year...if so, what's the population of mexico? 500 million?

He's got three more...I am willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt considering he's had the children in government, several wars, the economy, keeping him busy...lately, it appears his attention is turning towards the border, hopefully, something will come of that.

My other point is...this is a thread about French intifada...someone always posts a bush bashing illegal immigration rant on almost every thread...it has become old, IMHO.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

THE FOURTH REICH

[metmom]

I checked out some photos on FOXNews.com. IT's really something. I wonder how long this is going to continue before they REALLY do something about it. If I lived in Paris, I'd be in fear of my life. If they don't put a stop to it now, they deserve what they get and other countries better wake up and smell the coffee before it happens to them, too. I wonder how hard it is to emigrate to Austrailia.

[Lizavetta]

President Mitterrand, blamed the riots on the "conservative society" and said France is different because it "is the country where the level of social protection is the highest in the world."

Tell that to all the neglected old people who died in the summer heat a few summers ago.