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Okay so now I'm back :)

Thank you first for your kindness. hehe

You hit another thing for me -- Girl Scouts. My girls are in a scout troop that is part of a homeschooling group that is primarily Christian based.

With Girl Scouts, and now I think with American Girls, it's about what you put into it as a parent. The AG stories are amazing. Girl Scouts, well, we don't use the Studio2B materials in our program. *shrugs* You don't have to as a scout leader. No two troops are the same just as no two families are.

The thing is, look at the audience to which Girls Inc is focuses. It's not my white suburban kids with two parents at home. It's the inner city kids who aren't getting anything from anyone.

There has to be another solution than just boycotting a group, or a company. Another poster mentioned encouraging AG to encourage Girls Inc to add other messages to the repertoire. Messages about marraige and the like.

You catch more flies with honey . . .

Oh and btw, today I have been both thoroughly furious and thoroughly impressed with the FReepers I have chatted with. I looked, it's been 5.5 years since I found this place (at the Second Amendment Sisters counter rally), and for the most part I enjoy the debate.

I see your point about the liberal, leftist message. At the same time though, the girls they are focusing on are getting the message from those around them (in the cities) that they are worthless creatures. . stupid, ugly, whatever. A bit of empowerment for these girls might get us another Condi Rice. Give the kids some credit to be able to sort out truth from fiction, and believe in themselves. The girls they are focusing on NEED that kind of encouragement. They need something more than they are getting from their communities right now. Is there a solution? I don't know. But something has to give.

Way too many perfectly intelligent people, male and female, are being left in the inner cities to flounder.

This year is the 15th year of my life to have been a registered Girl Scout. I have yet to meet anyone in the organization (in the two states I've been involved) that promotes homosexuality. Our troop talks about the stars, their pets, camping, music, dancing, make up. . . little girl things. That's what mine did growing up too. The materials on drugs and other controversial things are resources, not requirements.

Anyhow, thanks again, we're doing lunch right now, so I may be around a bit more.

A bit of empowerment for these girls might get us another Condi Rice. Give the kids some credit to be able to sort out truth from fiction, and believe in themselves. The girls they are focusing on NEED that kind of encouragement.

Since when does "empowerment" equal promoting abortion, pre-marital sex, and lesbianism? That, after all, is really what this debate is about. Abortion, pre-marital sex, and lesbianism has done a huge amount of psychological, physical, and spiritual, damage to women. Wouldn't you agree?

A bit of empowerment for these girls might get us another Condi Rice.

I wonder how many Condi Rices and wonderful girls like yours and mine were in the 20,000,000 girls killed by abortions?

Instead of "I Can", these girls "Can't"

Twinz, Lots of good points, especially regarding the inner city, lonely girls. The best thing that such a website could do for these gals is to keep them from spreading their legs for the local, out-of-control boys and getting pregnant. But liberal groups think that promoting abstinence is a sin, so they beat around the bush with "empowerment" and "rights" and avoid the real topic.

Maybe it's a California problem but lesbians in the Girl Scouts is an issue to be concerned with, as are lesbians in girls' sports.

I have two very intelligent, strong-willed daughters (quite the contrast with my peaceful son) and I vowed to do my best to keep them away from the sites like Girls Inc. If I let them run without guidance, within a couple years they would both be environmental crusaders and spouting nonsense about women's liberation and the freedom that comes from living without a man or children.

My wife is only learning now what the extreme messages of the women's movement did to her, her sisters, and her friends, and of what they have been deprived.* Our daughters will fall for that hook, line and sinker if not shielded until they are old enough to think critically.

* One got married at 43 and really regrets the 15 years she spent thinking she didn't need a man. The other aborted a child that was conceived her first year of marriage and continues to mourn over it. Other friends are realizing that their marriages have been negatively impacted by messages -- really, lies -- they learned at college and in the media about men, marriage, sex, sexual differences between men and women, and relationships.

Condi Rice was blessed to be born to Christian parents who were determined to educate her in such a way that she could make it in the most elite groups in the world. They succeeded. With God's help, she has soared. Does Girls, Inc. make mention of God in its vast literature designed to educate and empower girls?