I wonder how many Condi Rices and wonderful girls like yours and mine were in the 20,000,000 girls killed by abortions?
Instead of "I Can", these girls "Can't"
Twinz, I think you need an education on a topic that many of the evangelical Christians on this board cannot articulate well. It's the parallels between slavery and abortion, which some then extend to the Holocaust and abortion.
You don't want to go to far with the details of each abhorrent act but what's relevant here is an issue that one side feels is intensely moral and worth fighting aggressively for; and the other side refuses to acknowledge its guilt (even suppresses it and punishes those who dare to speak of the guilt) and hides behind the fact that the action in question is "legal" or "constitutional."
You have to admit the parallels. Pastors all over America preached against slavery, but the slaveholders and their politicians hid behind topics like "constitutional" and "states' rights." In hindsight we see the outcome as only logical and correct, but during the 1850s the passions were as strong, if not stronger, than those for abortion today.
As for the Holocaust, which I know is sensitive to you because of your heritage, the same analysis makes some sense. Nazi law allowed the seizing of Jewish property and the herding of them to work camps -- effectively, a denial of human rights that allowed the atrocities in the camps. I've no doubt that many good Germans were horrified and appalled by the seizures and apprehensions but rationalized that they were legal and, perhaps, a government matter -- not their problem. Had enough German citizens, or German policemen, refused or resisted, perhaps Hitler would have been overthrown before the start of the war. Heaven knows that the German Generals were wishing for a good enough pretext to overthrow him as early as 1937.
So the Christians that are very vocal and strident about the issue are probably not explaining themselves very well. But I am a Christian, too, and believe abortion to be wrong. Were only a couple thousand happening a year, mostly to save a mother's life, I expect there would be no major outcry. But that's not the case. Jim Dobson once said that 28% of Americans conceived after Roe v Wade have been aborted. THAT is a huge number and is a tragedy. And I can understand the passion and even fury that some very well-intentioned Christians feel about a number that large.
I have always found it interesting that the foundational court cases that found a right to an abortion in our constition, Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton, were both based on lies. We are both Judeo-Christian believers; is that God talking and revealing to us his feelings on the matter?
Twinz, I think you need an education on a topic that many of the evangelical Christians on this board cannot articulate well. It's the parallels between slavery and abortion, which some then extend to the Holocaust and abortion.
You don't want to go to far comparing each abhorrent act detail by detail, but what's relevant here is an issue that one side feels is intensely moral and worth fighting aggressively for; and the other side refuses to acknowledge its guilt (even suppresses it and punishes those who dare to speak of the guilt) and hides behind the fact that the action in question is "legal" or "constitutional."
You have to admit the parallels. Pastors all over America preached against slavery, but the slaveholders and their politicians hid behind topics like "constitutional" and "states' rights." In hindsight we see the outcome as only logical and correct, but during the 1850s the passions were as strong, if not stronger, than those for abortion today.
As for the Holocaust, which I know is sensitive to you because of your heritage, the same analysis makes some sense. Nazi law allowed the seizing of Jewish property and the herding of Jews to work camps -- a denial of human rights that allowed the atrocities in the camps. I've no doubt that many good Germans were horrified and appalled by the seizures and apprehensions but rationalized that they were legal and, perhaps, a government matter -- not their problem. Had enough German citizens, or German policemen, refused or resisted, perhaps Hitler would have been overthrown before the start of the war. Heaven knows that the German Generals were wishing for a good enough pretext to overthrow him as early as 1937.
So the Christians that are very vocal and strident about the issue are probably not explaining themselves very well. But I am a Christian, too, and believe abortion to be wrong. Were only a couple thousand happening a year, mostly to save a mother's life, I expect there would be no major outcry. But that's not the case. Jim Dobson once said that 28% of Americans conceived after Roe v Wade have been aborted. THAT is a huge number and is a tragedy. And I can understand the passion and even fury that some very well-intentioned Christians feel about a number that large.
So, forgive the Christians that vent furiously. I certainly do. And I can understand that for some of them the issue is very personal. It is for me. Excluding my Hollywood-oriented sister, never married, who has had seven (!) abortions, I can count three other abortions in my family. I have often wondered what those two siblings, and that one niece/nephew, would have been like.
I have always found it interesting that the foundational court cases that found a right to an abortion in our constition, Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton, were both based on lies and/or fraud by the attorneys pushing the cases through the courts. We are both Judeo-Christian believers; is that God talking and revealing to us his feelings on the matter?