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Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

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To: T'wit
Certainly not by giving him a new alibi!

Seems more likely it's giving him another way to be guilty.

961 posted on 12/16/2005 4:55:34 PM PST by syriacus (S Korean, Hwang Woo Suk, wins Nobels in phys, bio, med, lit - for fabricating cells out of thin air)
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To: T'wit
Not afraid enough to go to her girl friend's house that night, alas.

Yes. Not afraid enough.

962 posted on 12/16/2005 4:58:35 PM PST by syriacus (S Korean, Hwang Woo Suk, wins Nobels in phys, bio, med, lit - for fabricating cells out of thin air)
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To: Lesforlife; wildandcrazyrussian
Faithmouse.com


963 posted on 12/16/2005 5:06:41 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: 8mmMauser
Ping all to a new sick thread...

Michael Schiavo Turning Terri into Poster Child for Euthanasia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1542120/posts.

LifeSiteNews ^ | 17 December 2005 | Judie Brown

*Snip*

"He has just announced the formation of the Terri PAC, a political action committee founded to "restore personal freedoms and individual human rights." If you think this is a bit ridiculous, then you are sadly unaware of the immensity of the culture of death into which America is nearly fully immersed. "

*snip*

964 posted on 12/16/2005 8:33:29 PM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: amdgmary
>> Schiavo most likely put Terri in a carotid choke the night she collapsed.

I'm still fascinated with the highly unusual injuries shown by the bone scan, namely, the compression fracture on her spine along with injuries to the back of adjacent ribs, and the bone bruise on her right thigh. That gives a picture of two blunt objects pushing against her back and leg with enormous force. It's hard to imagine what could apply such force at those two points but Michael's knees, pinning her down as he cut off her oxygen.

Note that those injuries cannot be attributed to resuscitation efforts, which sometimes injure ribs from the front but not from the back.

I do not think Terri "collapsed." I think she must have been wrestled to the floor.

965 posted on 12/17/2005 3:55:07 AM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, ABBA's "Dancing Queen" & telemarketers)
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To: syriacus
>> Certainly not by giving him a new alibi!

> Seems more likely it's giving him another way to be guilty.

That's the whole dispute. Right now there is NO explanation for Terri's injuries and Michael has NO alibi. The baseless notion that there might have been a mystery intruder takes all the heat off. The message is: "somebody else did it."

That is all that the unwashed (including the press) will hear. You could show them Michael's signed, notarized contract for a Mafia hit on Terri. They would find a way to twist it into exoneration for him.

Another HUGE thing you give up with this "mystery intruder" is the story. We have pieced this together from many sources. We know that Michael and Terri had a raging fight that day, and we know why. We know that he has a violent temper and was fully capable of hurting Terri. We know that he has the profile of a jealous husband and controller, exactly the kind of man most prone to domestic violence (and we also know that DV is the most common cause of injury in young women). Michael's cruelties and denial of therapy to Terri later, during the years of her internment, fit the same pattern. And at the end of it, his triumphant boast on her tombstone -- "I kept my promise." You can just hear the rest of it sotto voce -- "I told you I'd kill you, b*tch!" This is a man for whom no kindness to Terri was too small to refuse; a man who held a bitter grudge all those years; the man who DID kill Terri.

That whole story -- you could call it the historical record -- is mooted by the baseless notion of a mystery assailant.

What do we get in return? An alibi, free of charge, for a man who doesn't have one: "Somebody else did it."

If you want to go that way, FIRST find facts to support the theory. Otherwise it's a fairy tale, and imo, a destructive one.

966 posted on 12/17/2005 4:49:09 AM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, ABBA's "Dancing Queen" & telemarketers)
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To: syriacus
Here's a question for you.
Why is such a simple question, "Was someone else in the apartment?" touching a nerve here?



Touching YOUR nerve!! Someone thinks your 'simple' question is basically 'stupid' and you start 'SCREAMING'!! Giving out keys to his apartment, someone else in the apartment - all made up stuff to 'fit' your fairy tale. Why not say 'he left a window open' - let your mind run wild while in your screaming fanaticism.
967 posted on 12/17/2005 6:30:19 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; presently no screen name; Abby4116; Alissa; ..
Terri listed again as a top story in Contra Costa Times:

RELIGION ROUNDUP

And the beat goes on.......from Fredericksburg, The Freelance Star

We can't kill our way to justice

And this.....from Lima Ohio:

Katrina chaos, pope's death likely top '05 stories

8mm


968 posted on 12/17/2005 6:53:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Aussie Dasher; tutstar; T'wit; TheSpottedOwl; floriduh voter; Earthdweller
Referring to the thread on Michael Schiavo, citizen extraordinaire...with thanks to Aussie Dasher and reminder from Earthdweller and The Spotted Owl

Michael Schiavo Turning Terri into Poster Child for Euthanasia

8mm

969 posted on 12/17/2005 7:05:18 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; TheSpottedOwl
EUTHANASIA - by Malcolm Muggeridge

8mm

970 posted on 12/17/2005 7:09:24 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: NYer; tutstar; All
A thread from NYer

Countering the Myth of the Perfect Child (Bioethics Alert!)

8mm

971 posted on 12/17/2005 7:21:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

IIRC, wasn't the Pope's "LAST statement to the WORLD" about the evilness in denying Terri water?


972 posted on 12/17/2005 7:27:44 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

That is what I remember coupled with the timing of his passing just then.


973 posted on 12/17/2005 8:24:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Fla AG Crist has done more work since Terri died than he ever did before March 31, 2005. He must REALLY want to be governor. Now he's picking out certain attorneys to investigate. (I wonder if they are his political enemies, probably).

Scroll down at www.northcountrygazette.org.

EXCERPT ONLY: Attorney Questions If Law Firms Exempt From Prosecution?

TALLAHASSEE, FLA---Are Florida law firms exempt from investigation and prosecution under Florida's Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act?

974 posted on 12/17/2005 8:57:14 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: presently no screen name
Well, CBS edited the Pope's dying words out of their movie for tv with Jon Voight.

Judge Greer is/was a shareholder. Judge Greer has to defend his sorry reputation the rest of his life. They cannot bring Terri back. They murdered her.

975 posted on 12/17/2005 9:00:59 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: floriduh voter
What a farce when politicians blab about "bringing democracy" to other countries. Look at Judge Greer - he got away with the most flagrant violations of our laws as if he were a dictator. Other judges have also basically made laws.
976 posted on 12/17/2005 9:15:34 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
It's an abomination and he's still sitting on the bench. Meanwhile, Tom Delay is in hot water in Texas. Right is wrong and wrong is right.

Greer is A LAWBREAKER in addition to being cold and evil.

He signs the orders so that lawyers and realtors can take money and property from wards (before the family members arrive here to find out what's happened to their relative).

You don't want to be alone in Pinellas County. They will prey upon you. Remember J. Greer would not allow State Auditor Melton to audit the books for wards of Pinellas Cty. THE AUDACITY! It is a dictatorship. I like to call him the blind sheik.

977 posted on 12/17/2005 9:36:44 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Forced Exits 'R Murder - Call Your Congressman)
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To: floriduh voter

CBS edited the Pope's dying words


WOW! Didn't know that, FV. So CBS thinks if the truth hurts (greer), we'll just make it disappear.

Thank God, God's Word always was, always will be and will always remain the same - He ain't changing HIS LAWS for anyone, even one that poses as a judge.


978 posted on 12/17/2005 1:01:51 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 8mmMauser; presently no screen name
Vatican Cardinal Condemns Schiavo Death

A Vatican cardinal denounced the death Thursday of Terri Schiavo, saying removing the feeding tube that was keeping her alive was "an attack against God."

Portuguese Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, head of the Vatican's office for sainthood, told reporters that "an attack against life is an attack against God, who is the author of life."

[snip]

Pope John Paul the Great

by Loredana Vuoto
Posted Apr 4, 2005

Pope John Paul II, one of the most revered popes in history, died Saturday. He was 84.

* * *

. . .[The Pope] most recently denounced the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

979 posted on 12/17/2005 1:17:13 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, nicmarlo. I knew The Pope spoke out against it previously, but wanted to know if it was his HIS LAST STATEMENT to the WORLD and indeed it was. Thanks.

"The prolonged interruption in her feeding ... is shaping up as an UNJUST DEATH SENTENCE TO AN INNOCENT, in one of the MOST INHUMANE AND CRUEL form of death — that of death from hunger and thirst," Renato Martino, who heads the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, told Vatican Radio earlier in the day, before her death was announced.

The death cult was too much in a party mode to listen or care.
980 posted on 12/17/2005 1:45:44 PM PST by presently no screen name
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