Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser
Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.
Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.
"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."
The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."
"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."
Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.
"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."
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1.The people he worked with at all those restaurants?
2. Do I remember correctly that he allegedly used drugs? IF he did use drugs, he must have obtained them somewhere.
3. His girlfriends and their relatives?
4. His relatives? Interesting that his brother and sister-in-law testified that Terri wanted to die.
Second - if MS didn't even 'go there', someone entering apartment, why are you?
My point, exactly!!!
Michael didn't want any "suggestion" of Terri being a victim when she first collapsed. If he did that, someone might have checked for transient indicators that she was harmed and an investigation might have resulted.
No matter how you slice it, it was best for Michael to pretend Terri collapsed.
Here's a question for you.
I'm too old to have my feelings hurt , so don't hold back any criticisms. :-)
I agree.
Don't feel bad about your scoffing. You haven't hurt my feelings. I'm too old for that :-)
What about these ideas?
You've called Michael a liar. He might have lied about their sleeping together in bed. He might have lied about his being at home when Terri collapsed.
1. Somebody put enough pressure on her carotid arteries, for long enough, to leave her all-but lifeless on the floor.
2. I was scoffing at the notion that some mystery assailant... left her for dead on the floor, all without a sound or a fight from Terri,
Did Terri put up a fight, or not?
1. Somebody put enough pressure on her carotid arteries, for long enough, to leave her all-but lifeless on the floor.
2. I was scoffing at the notion that some mystery assailant... left her for dead on the floor, all without a sound or a fight from Terri,
In your scenario, did Terri put up a fight, or not?
Another argument against the non-existent mystery intruder.
Why do you call it my scenario? What I or anyone else thinks about it is irrelevant. The truth is what it is.
Terri's blood tests showed lactic acidosis, an abnormal blood chemistry caused by violent exertion in the absence of oxygen. One may infer that she fought for a breath of air with everything she had. But it would have been hopeless with a man twice her size on her back, pinning her down.
What about these?
1) Frogs have wings.
2) You could be fooling around with Britney Spears right this minute if you weren't so busy here.
3) The Knicks are going to win the World Series this year.
John Doe arranges for his wife, Jane, to be killed while he is at work. It seems that she might divorce him and he is afraid of what her lawyer will unearth during the discovery phase of divorce proceedings. (What if that mobster learns that John was fooling around with his wife?) John is also the beneficiary of Jane's life insurance policy, and the money will help him settle some debts.
John expects to find Jane dead when he arrives home, but is surprised, when he walks through the slightly opened door, to find she is, unaccountably, still alive. (The "killer" had used a key, but left the door unlocked/open, when he departed, to make it seem that his John's wife had opened the door to an intruder.)
John Doe stays out of Janes' sight while he tries to find a solution. Should he call 911? Should he give Jane CPR? Should he leave Jane alone and hope she dies soon? (How long can he sit there and wait for her to die?) Should he make sure she dies?
What to do? What to do? Time passes while John sits on the sofa, where Jane cannot see him, and tries to piece together a story. He decides against killing her or giving her CPR because doing either of those things might cause someone to question how she had been treated before help (or the medical examiner) arrived.
John finally realizes that too much time has passed for him to say that he came home from work and found Jane on the floor.
So John makes up a story that he was in bed when he was awakened by the sound of his wife "collapsing."
That's the only story that will seem appropriate in the early morning hour when he finally contacts Jane's family... he was home, he was in bed, he heard his barely breathing wife collapse.
That's one interpretation....I explained it 3 years ago on FR.
Now, how do we get Michael to confess?
How is it an argument against an intruder? Terri was afraid of Michael.
Off hand, I'd say you're straying from the topic.
Though his stories are riddled with holes,
Mike comes out on top in the polls.
A little lie here,
(with a crocodile tear)
He's adept at distorting men's souls.
Not afraid enough to go to her girl friend's house that night, alas.
Certainly not by giving him a new alibi!
The chances of opening a criminal investigation of Schiavo are remote. The chances of getting him to confess probably are little better. But one never knows what a guilty soul will do.
The main hope that I see to do so is to keep pressure on him, keep discussing -- and if possible, expanding -- the strong case against him. That case is primarily based on medical evidence, and it grew stronger when the "bulimia" myth went out the window in the coroner's report. Thus we have to keep asking the question, how DID she end up on the floor, nearly dead?
It is conceivable that one or more of his co-conspirators (Jodi, Brian and Joan Schiavo) might break their silence and accuse him. They are going to Hell for Michael -- unless they themselves come clean.
Here's new commentary re: the ACLU and Judge Greed.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kareiva/051215
Have a nice weekend. It's officially hot chocolate weather, or stronger stuff.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kareiva/051215
I agree that the pressure should be kept on him. One never knows when a guilty liar will "trip-up," big time.
Schiavo most likely put Terri in a carotid choke the night she collapsed.
Quote from the book "Silent Witness" (page 113): "Michael and Scott [Schiavo's brother] once had a physical fight in the Schindler's kitchen. Michael put Scott in a carotid choke hold, but Scott was able to get out of it, and the two wrestled on the floor."
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