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Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

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To: floriduh voter
Update on poor little Haleigh. State killed Terri and protected her perp and this State may pull the plug so as to charge the perp. Twisted justice.

Little Girl Lost: A New Debate Over 'Vegetative State'

8mm

861 posted on 12/14/2005 4:52:10 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All

Just a reminder that Scott Thomas is still awaiting his fate. Here is his website again:

http://www.scottsfight.com/

8mm


862 posted on 12/14/2005 4:57:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; tutstar; pickyourpoison; Halls; cyn; Republic; Calpernia; wildandcrazyrussian; ...
BACK TO POLITICS FROM THE CAPITOL OF THE U.S. PINELLAS COUNTY: This scandal may drag CHARLIE CRIST kicking and screaming into the middle.

Pinellas State Attorney Bernie McCabe who was/is a Greer-ite is investigating former Clwtr Mayor Brian Aungst and JMC Communities.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/14/Tampabay/Condo_deal_faces_scru.shtml

Info that you read here first and probably only here: CRIST is tied to JMC Communities.

SORRY, CHARLIE... If Bernie McCabe is up for re-election next year, he's turning on FRIENDS OF GREER AND FRIENDS OF CHARLIE CRIST for some reason. Now McCabe is actually investigating something. It's a first! And, it's so political!

Here's the article which looks simple enough - until you learn that CRIST AND JMC are practically brothers.

Do I have a duty to tell McCabe what I know or should I let the MEDIA read it here?

Let's see...When I contacted McCabe to say that his endorsement of Judge Greer in 2004 was ILLEGAL, his staff said it was o.k. When locals by the dozens contacted State Atty McCabe, HE REFUSED to INVESTIGATE SCHIAVO-GATE of which he is a part.

NAW, I think I'll let the media do follow up.

And, back in Tampa, as of today, JOE REDNER is still saying he's gay and the media is wondering why he would come out now? One reason may be BECAUSE Terri's no threat to Florida's status quo: the aclu, the sci-fis and to the middle district court in Tampa, J. Whittemore, Redner's buddy.

Media, freepmail me for more info. This is about next year's governor's race.

Crist will NOT be Florida's next Governor by the looks of scandal brewing back in his home turf. All they had to do was investigate GREER and company and let Terri live. They refused. All of them.

Now McCabe is turning on his partners in crime before the 2006 elections. Remember McCabe was on Terri's death squad. DO NOT VOTE FOR MCCABE if he's up for Pinellas State Atty in 2006.

863 posted on 12/14/2005 6:05:33 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: floriduh voter

bttt


864 posted on 12/14/2005 6:15:21 AM PST by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser
And, is Judge Whittemore gay? Is Charlie Crist gay? The media has already asked Crist point blank if he's gay.

They aren't brave enough to ask Judge Whittemore if he's gay like his pal Joe Redner.

I am not anti-gay but if the gay guy is also w/the ACLU and the Atheists of Florida and they were cheering Judge Whittemore on as he tortured Terri hour upon hour, and defied the US Congress and President, under those conditions, I am against gaydom.

Judge Whittemore SHOULD HAVE RECUSED instead of torturing Terri for his friends.

865 posted on 12/14/2005 6:21:24 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: Dante3
Think of this. CHARLIE CRIST IS BERNIE MCCABE'S boss. Bernie is investigating people who are pals with his boss. How's that going to turn out???

Poor Charlie. Poor Bernie. I told you all that the Pinellas GOP was a total disaster. They can't do their assigned tasks and many are immoral.

866 posted on 12/14/2005 6:24:21 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: floriduh voter

Who is Joe Redner and who does he "love"? Why is he important to Crist et al?


867 posted on 12/14/2005 6:25:35 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Pepper777
but sure didn't expect to hear Terri's name.

Terri's name you will always hear. The others will fade away unless they GET INDICTED for their crimes.

868 posted on 12/14/2005 6:25:41 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: 8mmMauser
The State of California just killed an innocent man!"

The State of Florida killed an innocent woman!

Who was truly innocent and a VICTIM? THE LATTER.

869 posted on 12/14/2005 6:27:23 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: Theodore R.
Joe Redner is the adult entertainment industry KING of Tampa Bay. He just got millions of dollars in Tampa in an eminent domain dispute. Now he's suing regarding gay discrimination by the City of Tampa. He says "he's really gay", not just pretending to be gay for the discrimination suit against Tampa. Redner makes his money through litigation. Atty Luke Lirot is a porn lawyer in Tampa.

Crist is not connected to Redner but Judge Whittemore is.

870 posted on 12/14/2005 6:30:58 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: floriduh voter

I guess we can guess who's producing the gay porn.


871 posted on 12/14/2005 6:39:04 AM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: floriduh voter; All

There's a lawyer in St Pete who also either owns or runs a porn business. He also has a firm that does Elder Law and Estate Planning. Wouldn't it suck if they were using some of the interest from estate money to fund their perversion?
The same guy also donated to Greer's campaign.

I've noticed that many lawyers in Florida have businesses related to property. No brain surgeon needed to figure that out, bilking estates and property are hand in hand for the crooks.

I still think there is a major connection that we haven't figured out.

I've also wondered whether Battaglia or others made deals with young folks who were caught with drugs to work in the strip clubs or do porn to get out of jail. God only knows what utter wickedness may be going on down there in the name of the law.


872 posted on 12/14/2005 6:57:50 AM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: floriduh voter
The State of California just killed an innocent man!"

The State of Florida killed an innocent woman!

Who was truly innocent and a VICTIM? THE LATTER.

The irony is nearly unbelievable. Libs in California claimed bloodthirsty Tookie was innocent, killed by the State. Those same would applaud the State of Florida for killing a real innocent.

Anyone have a guess how Michael Farrell, B.J. Hunnicutt, might have said about the Terri tragedy in his fights for "social justice" Karl Marx style?

Cognitive dissonance is a term essential to the survival of liberal idiots. Applies here.

8mm

873 posted on 12/14/2005 7:21:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Ugly story, and I see the death merchants are out in force to jeer. Someday we are going to have to reopen the question of "brain death." People have already forgotten that this is a modern (1969) and still controversial definition of death. We had no trouble defining death before this. It was when all life systems shut down.

The point of "brain death," contrived by a committee at Harvard, is that the patient is NOT dead. The reason for calling it death is to harvest the patient's still living organs for transplants. This is enormously profitable for the hospital. There is a five or six-figure incentive for finding the patient "brain dead" even if that is fudging or outrightly false. The testing amounts to banging the patient around to see if he responds. Mostly they bang the head. Don't want to injure harvestable organs, now, do we?

Hospitals nowadays all seem to have a team of organ harvest surgeons standing by to slice up un-dead patients. There are plenty of physicians who find this practice grisly and out of keeping with medical ethics.

874 posted on 12/14/2005 7:44:22 AM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, Abba's "dancing queen" & telemarketers)
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To: Wampus SC
>> nominate him for a Nobel Prize.

For what, marksmanship?

875 posted on 12/14/2005 7:50:47 AM PST by T'wit (Hell: eternity listening to Ted Kennedy Barbara Boxer, Abba's "dancing queen" & telemarketers)
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To: tutstar

There's a missing piece to the puzzle and the puzzle's huge.


876 posted on 12/14/2005 4:14:39 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: 8mmMauser; All
ATTENTION PRO-LIFE FREEPERS: Please nominate TERRI SCHIAVO AS THE COVERUP OF 2005.

HOW? EMAIL WORLD NET DAILY. TERRI SCHIAVO WAS THE BIGGEST COVERUP OF THE YEAR: SCHIAVO-GATE.

The email address for the nominations are on this URL.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47888

877 posted on 12/14/2005 4:24:10 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: All; amdgmary; Ohioan from Florida; NYer; nickcarraway; wildandcrazyrussian; Lesforlife; ...

Ping to world net daily link above. Email addy is at the bottom of the page. TO NOMINATE TERRI SCHIAVO AS COVERUP OF 2005.


878 posted on 12/14/2005 4:37:45 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: 8mmMauser

bttt.


879 posted on 12/14/2005 4:49:28 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org ENDORSING REAL REPUBLICANS ONLY ck it out)
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To: T'wit

I would take some issue with your remark, that folks who are declared 'brain dead' are not really dead, but rather are declared so, so that organs may be harvested...

My son was declared 'brain dead'...and he was not banged around, mostly around the head...I dont know that I even believe that ever really happens, but I do know for a fact it never happened to my son...

First of all, there would be no financial reason for any hospital to declare my son 'brain dead', as his organs could not be harvested...he died of a cerebral hemmorhage, due to low platelettes, due to APL leukemia...his organs could have never been used, as he had cancer...people with cancer cannot donate their organs, not even their corneas...I know this for sure, as I even inquired and asked the doctor if at least his corneas could be used to give someone else sight...I was told absolutely not...nothing from a patient who dies from cancer, can ever be used for any type of a transplant...

And the tests that were done to determine brain death were not 'banging' my son around...thats insulting to me, and to others who have entrusted their dying children to the pediatric oncologists who treat these children, ,and suffer when they die...my son had his brain waves monitored constantly(there were no brain waves)...he had a test done to see if there was any oxygen going to his brain(there was not), he was taken off the ventilator to see if he would began breathing on his own(he did not)...

And even if I had not wanted to disconnect my son from the ventilator, because he was found to be 'brain dead', by several doctors, who had no vested financial interest in harvesting his organs, because he was found to be 'brain dead', in the state of Washington, that is considered legally 'dead', and the docs could have disconnected my son without my consent or approval(at least this is the way it was when he died in 1985)

It may be that some doctors have overstepped the line, in declaring someone dead who may not be actually dead, but you certainly do seem to think that what you have described is common practice...and I simply dont believe it...


880 posted on 12/14/2005 4:50:45 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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