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To: tbird5

In the New York area the overwhelming majority of unwed mothers are black and native-born Latino (Nuyoricans and Dominicanyorks, not Mexicans), with black women by far the largest group. Here in Washington State, however, I see alot of blue collar and below white women with three different fathers, often of different races.


121 posted on 10/28/2005 1:26:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: Clemenza

The reason for that is because many "middle class" white folks move out of the city once they're married and have kids.


123 posted on 10/28/2005 1:27:38 PM PDT by durasell
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To: Clemenza

"I see alot of blue collar and below white women with three different fathers, often of different races."

Makes you wonder what their families were like.


126 posted on 10/28/2005 1:29:01 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Clemenza
But it still amazes me how "lower class" (in terms of mores rather than income, think Joey Buttafuoco) or blue collar folks in the northeast don't seem to have the illegitimacy thing going on like their counterparts in the Northwest do.

Move upstate NY, It's near impossible to find a single women over 25 who doesn't have kids. It's one of the reasons I moved to New Jersey.

But when looking at the Unmarried birth rate on a State to State basis the NW seems pretty low, The worst areas not surprisingly are the SW and the Bible Belt states

199 posted on 10/29/2005 7:30:15 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Clemenza
"Here in Washington State, however, I see alot of blue collar and below white women with three different fathers, often of different races."

The problem is epidemic in this country. The examples you cite are merely demographic variations. Where I live, it is almost exclusively poor, white women from teens to 30s, whose children are fathered by different men, many of whom are either career criminals, registered sex offenders or married to other women; but that is what the demographic dictates.

This area is almost exclusively white and there is a significant gap in the status of the representative populations. There are a lot of transplants and retirees, most of which are either well-established financially when they come here or who come here to take a professional position for which they are trained and qualified. Then you have the family businesses that have been around since anyone can remember and that look after their own. The opportunities for the uneducated are very limited. There are relatively few unskilled jobs available and the majority of those are filled by either college students or individuals with at least a high school education.

The clients I typically deal with avarage a 9th grade education. They don't have cars and it is a rural area, so even if they find jobs, it is usually just a matter of time till they lose them when they fail to show up because they couldn't get transportation or a babysitter. I'm guessing that for many of them, feelings of hopelessness have set in to the point that the only thing that makes them feel alive at all is having sex and/or doing drugs, and most of the men available to them are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool themselves.

There is no simple, realistic way for them to escape their circumstances. Many of these young parents are at least second or third generation in this lifestyle. To them, it looks normal. They've never been encouraged to seek a better way. The attitude of their parents (typically the mothers) is often "if it was good enough for me; it is good enough for her." It is extremely difficult to cut through that mindset, regardless of whether they're black, white or hispanic. Ultimately, the loss of connectedness to our Judeo-Christian heritage and the accompanying moral climate prevalent in our country until the past few decades is at the root of the condition, and unless and until the disease is remedied at the root the quality of the fruit produced by these corrupt relationships will continue to deteriorate .

253 posted on 10/30/2005 7:55:56 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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