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1 posted on 10/25/2005 3:20:59 PM PDT by Hadean
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Reute-gasm.


2 posted on 10/25/2005 3:23:59 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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Quagmire!!!

Imagine this media reporting on the battles of WWII...

3 posted on 10/25/2005 3:24:54 PM PDT by Dog
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Oh spare me, the MSM's constant drumbeat of "More trouble for Bush" is getting tiresome and transparent. These people can't wait to pronounce woes upon this administration and it's gotten really stale. How stupid do they think we are?


4 posted on 10/25/2005 3:24:59 PM PDT by MikeA
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The only pressure I can see placed is to keep the death as historically low as it has been.
6 posted on 10/25/2005 3:29:58 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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2000 seems a nice round numbers they can sink their teeth in.

Abortions: 29,247,142 legal abortions were performed in the United States, 1970-95. (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Vol. 47 No. SS-2) Estimated abortions worldwide: 527M to 836M (1920-2000) [http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp333sd.html]

I assumme when the 30th million murder happens, I presume the MSM will keep us up to date./Sarcasm off

8 posted on 10/25/2005 3:40:25 PM PDT by bubman
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I just listened to Brian Williams, (not really listened, just kind of walked by and heard him)

He sounded nearly gleeful at the "milestone death"...

How sad. They are all so ready to use the death of our troops to further their political agenda.


9 posted on 10/25/2005 3:40:58 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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Above: Reuters reporter Steve Holland and an unidentified colleague discuss the 2000th US casualty in Iraq.

13 posted on 10/25/2005 3:48:09 PM PDT by Maceman (Imagine No Possessions -- It's easy if you have $200 million.)
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Al-Reuters at it again. This isn't 1970 and they just aren't relevant anymore.


14 posted on 10/25/2005 4:06:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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The anti-American crowd is sure celebrating today.


16 posted on 10/25/2005 4:31:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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This is such a BS story. I wrote this below the other day, knowing the confetti and cheers were going to be coming from the media with the 2,000th brave volunteer gave his or her life for the freedoms the media abuses daily. If the 2,000 combat professionals who bravely and selflessly gave their lives in Iraq, was put in it's proper context, as I did below, it would be obvious that it is an amazingly low number, unparralleled in recent and ancient history, going all the way back to the Greek and Roman Empires, who lost thousansd of soldiers in single days, in a few hours of one days. This is a non-story, and Bush will lost NOTHING from the 2,000th death. It's a red herring story contrived by the anti-war socialist liberals. Considering the reality of what's been accomplished in Iraq, it's amazing it's not 20,000 dead.

With the media geared up and celebrating the 2,000th troop lost in Iraq, I once again wish they'd have the spine to be honest about what's going on there, and put those 2,000 brave volunteers, many of them heros, lost in Iraq in the proper context.

Just once, I would like the msm to point out the fact that, compared to Vietnam, where over 58,000 troops were killed in over ten years, averaging 15.9 troops killed per day in Vietnam (more if you count the "advisors" killed in the early 60s, and the hundreds of POWs and MIAs which are surely gone now after being abandoned by our government 30 years ago) 8( , compared to Iraq where since March 15th, 2003 I believe it was when the war in Iraq started, since then, 2,000 troops killed (800 or more being non-combat deaths), and that makes an average of 2.1 troops killed per day in Iraq, that's 87.5% lower than the death toll per day in Vietnam. Is that not significant???

And, as I always love to point out, Vietnam, N and S, is significantly larger than the total geographic area of Iraq. Iraq is 168,000 square miles in size. South Vietnam is only 67,000 square miles in size. Iraq is nearly three times larger than South Vietnam. North Vietnam, which we NEVER occupied at all, is 61,000 square miles in size. So even if you include all of Vietnam, Iraq is still about 22% larger than all of Vietnam, which we never completely controlled.

South Vietnam never had an established government elected by the Vietnamese people. Iraq does. Vietnam never had an election or a constitution. Iraq does. Three elections now in fact, and a constitution.

Also, in Vietnam, the U.S. military was opposed by North Vietnam soldiers exclusively. I’ve never seen or heard any evidence that the Chinese or Soviets were in Vietnam fighting our soldiers. They were there as advisors, but not fighting, except maybe for some Russian or Chinese pilots that manned fighters against ours, making it really impossible to ever prove. The terrorists movement in Iraq is over 90% foreign. The few Iraqi’s that are involved with the terrorists were part of hussein’s government.

It’s also important to point out that we never occupied all of Vietnam, and there were over half a million troops in Vietnam at the height of the war. In Iraq, there have never been more than 160,000 American combatants present. The major combat operations in Iraq was over in a matter of weeks. In Vietnam, major combat operations were never opened, and there was never as much of South Vietnam secured as is currently secured in Iraq.

Iraq is going better than any war the U.S. has ever fought in, not counting the first Gulf War. No other war in U.S. history has ever taken so few casualties, only about 2 per day, other than the first Gulf War. The Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the smaller wars, ALL had a casualty rate much higher than 2 per day. Where is the media reporting of that fact? There should be celebrating in the streets that it’s 2 per day and not 14 like Vietnam, or over 40 per day like WWII, and praise by name the 2,000 heros who gave their lives for freedom and democracy. Those 2,000 brave fallen heros are symbols to be praised and held up on high, not symbols of a failed effort. The media presenting them as such clearly demonstrates their deliberate bias against the military and any war effort not led by a democrat President.

Most importantly. When the 1,000th troop was killed in Iraq, I remember doing this same thing, figuring the average per day, and it came to about 4.5% per day killed in Iraq when the 1,000th troop was lost. And now, at 2,000, that average is 2.1% per day, so the number of troops killed per day is half what it was about a year ago, but the media talks about the number of attacks being up as though that is the only significant event. Well if the number of troops lost per day is half what it was before, and the number of attacks is up, that demonstrates that more of those attacks are failing and fewer troops are killed by them, and THAT is more significant than the number of attacks taking place. But the media will NEVER point that out. Iraq is going VERY well, and Vietnam NEVER went this well on its best day. I should know a thing or two about Vietnam, my father was there for four years and has told me about it all my life. But the media will say Iraq is as bad as Vietnam, and that couldn’t be a bigger lie.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a liberal inflammatory headline?

17 posted on 10/25/2005 4:48:50 PM PDT by Allen H (Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA! An informed person, is a conservative person.)
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling, is now the bleat for MSM and lefties.

2,000 individual combat deaths of brave Americans in Iraq since 2003 is a terrible and tragic thing, but, as compared to what? War is not a video game, people die for real under most horrible circumstances, it has always been this way.

50,000 American causalities (over 7,000 KIA dead) from the three days battle at Gettysburg on July, 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 1863. This, when the total population of America, both north and south, was 30 million souls.

26,277 Americans were killed in the Battle of Meuse-Argonne from September 26 - November 11, 1918.

Over 2,000 Americans died on just Omaha Beach alone on June 6, 1944.

War is hell, always has been, and always will be so.


18 posted on 10/25/2005 4:49:17 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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Oh yeah, and not to mention that 79% of voters in Iraq voted to ratify their new Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet the media says that Iraqi's are "split" on it. 79% doesn't seem very "split" to me. 79% sounds like a VERY loud unified planting of the feet of the overwhelming majority of the people saying they want freedom and have had enough of the 90%+ non-Iraqi terrorist group that have invaded their country, trying to stop their desire for real freedom. The American military are NOT the invaders! The RADICAL FOREIGN TERRORISTS in Iraq ARE the invaders! WE are there because the Iraqi's want us there. The foreign terrorists are the one who were not asked in, and the Iraqi's want out but refuse to leave, and it's the foreign terrorists who are killing Iraqi's on a daily basis, NOT the coalition military. THAT'S the fact of the war in Iraq.


19 posted on 10/25/2005 4:52:54 PM PDT by Allen H (Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA! An informed person, is a conservative person.)
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With all the mention today of 2,000 families mourning the loss of loved ones, I have to also think of the almost 3,000 families still mourning from 9-11. I also think of the 17 families mourning from the USS Cole.

I dare say there are literally thousands of families, American, European, Arab, and Asian that mourn the loss of loved ones at the hands of these terrorists.

These terrorists have to be stopped and this war on terror should have been started over 30 years ago, before they gained the support and power they have today. Appease them now and imagine the power they will have 10 or 20 years from now.

At the same time as I shed my tears over these 2,000 I also beam with pride that this latest generation has produced such fine young men and women who willingly placed themselves in harms way for the protection and liberation of others and paid the ultimate sacrifice. Their sacrifices are not to be taken lightly or denigrated but deserve to be held up to the entire world as amongst the finest people this country has ever produced.

John 15:13 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

26 posted on 10/25/2005 5:39:37 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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Americans want to see U.S. troops brought home

Thank you Mr. Obvious. I guess I don't want the troops home because I want them to finish the task......
31 posted on 10/25/2005 6:47:04 PM PDT by nascaryankee (Peace Through Superior Firepower)
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I bet they've had this article ready for at least six months and just had to add the necessary date and a few other bits before publishing it.
39 posted on 10/25/2005 7:57:19 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (This Space For Rent.)
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God Bless our Troops

May the press BURN IN HELL


41 posted on 10/25/2005 7:59:21 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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I went to this site, http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/oif-deaths-total.pdf, and found these numbers:

OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM MILITARY DEATHS
March 19, 2003 to December 3, 2005

Casulty type
Hostile 1660
Nonhostile 462

Does anyone know what a "nonhostile" death means?

53 posted on 01/06/2006 8:10:06 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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