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Spanish judge orders arrest of three US soldiers
Jerusalem Post ^ | Oct. 19, 2005 | AP

Posted on 10/19/2005 6:47:04 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy

A Spanish judge has issued an international arrest order for three US soldiers whose tank fired at a Baghdad hotel during the war in Iraq, killing a Spanish journalist, a court official said Wednesday.

Jose Couso, who worked for the Spanish television network Telecinco, died April 8, 2003, after the tank crew fired a shell at the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad where many journalists were staying to cover the war.

The Spanish judge said he issued the arrest order because of a lack of judicial cooperation from the United States regarding the case.

US officials insist the soldiers believed they were being shot at when they opened fire.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dondeestaelcommies; iraqwar; spain; spainsucks; ussoldiers
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Many FReepers have feared the day when US soldiers are no longer going to be able to travel outside the US without risk of being prosecuted. It seems that day is coming closer.
1 posted on 10/19/2005 6:47:10 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy
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To: ScaniaBoy

... yeah, that's gonna fly...


2 posted on 10/19/2005 6:49:46 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: ScaniaBoy

A large telescopic lens on a camera looks just like a rocket launcher from the front. Too bad, so sad, troops made the right call in a war zone, the new wuss Spaniards need to get over it.


3 posted on 10/19/2005 6:51:44 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Spain needs another El Cid.


4 posted on 10/19/2005 6:52:07 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Which is why President Bush has-quite rightfully-rejected the International Criminal Court.


5 posted on 10/19/2005 6:52:26 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: ScaniaBoy

Espania es no amigo. No cajones........


6 posted on 10/19/2005 6:52:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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To: ScaniaBoy

> ... after the tank crew fired a shell at the Palestine
> Hotel in Baghdad where many journalists were staying
> to cover the war.

Booking into ground zero of an impending war is, um, risky.

> US officials insist the soldiers believed they were
> being shot at when they opened fire.

Or they might just have been extra insightful, and
recognized that the press is a real enemy.


7 posted on 10/19/2005 6:53:04 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: ScaniaBoy

Yeah right. We'll send 'em right on over there. We need a second request from the French on this.


8 posted on 10/19/2005 6:53:08 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Free Tom DeLay)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Spain needs another Ferdinand and Isabella.......


9 posted on 10/19/2005 6:53:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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To: Boundless

The enemy was, in fact, firing from the Palestine Hotel.

A clue to our friends in the press. If you are standing next to somebody who is firing at US troops, then you are, at best, acting as a human shield for their operations. Do not be surprised when you receive return fire.


10 posted on 10/19/2005 6:56:17 AM PDT by gridlock (Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing... Monty Burns)
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To: Abathar

You would think that grown up people would understand that people are killed in a war zone. Either you take the risk or you keep away.


11 posted on 10/19/2005 6:56:41 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; fastattacksailor; swordfish71; broadsword; Nesher; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ...
It's a WAR ZONE! Stuff happens....perhaps if they had stayed indoors and not tried for a "good shot" from the balcony, a "good shot" from a tank, under and expecting more enemy attacks, would not have occurred.

Can you believe this? PING!

12 posted on 10/19/2005 6:56:41 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: sheik yerbouty


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(Rodrigo, or Ruy, Diaz, Count of Bivar).

The great popular hero of the chivalrous age of Spain, born at Burgos c. 1040; died at Valencia, 1099. He was given the title of seid or cid (lord, chief) by the Moors and that of campeador (champion) by his admiring countrymen.

Tradition and legend have cast a deep shadow over the history of this brave knight, to such an extent that his very existence has been questioned; there is however, no reason to doubt his existence. We must, at the same time regard him as a dual personality, and distinguish between the historical Cid and the legendary Cid. History paints him as a free booter, an unprincipled adventurer, who battled with equal vigour against Christians and Moors; who, to further his own ends, would as soon destroy a Christian church as a Moslem temple; who plundered and slew as much for his own gain as from any patriotic motives. It must be born in mind, however that the facts which discredit him have reached us through hostile Arab historians, and that to do him full justice he should be judged according to the standard of his country in his day. Vastly different indeed is the Cid of romance, legend, and ballad, wherein he is pictured as the tender, loving husband and father; the gentle courageous soldier; the noble, generous conqueror, unswervingly loyal to his country and his king; the man whose name has been an ever-present inspiration to Spanish patriotism. But whatever may have been the real adventures of El Cid Campeador, his name has come down to us in modern times in connection with a long series of heroic achievements in which he stands out as the central figure of the long struggle of Christian Spain against the Moslem hosts.

Ferdinand I, at his death (1065), had divided his dominions between his three sons, Sancho, Alfonso, and Garcia, and his two daughters, Elvira and Urraca, exacting from them a promise that they would respect his wishes and abide by the division. But Sancho, to whose lot had fallen the Kingdom of Castile, being the eldest, thought that he should have inherited the entire dominions of his father, and he resolved to repudiate his promise, claiming that it had been forced from him. Stronger, braver, and craftier than his brothers, he cherished the idea of despoiling them and his sisters of their possessions, and becoming the sole successor of his father.

At this time, Rodrigo Diaz was quite young, and Sancho, out of gratitude for the services of Rodrigo's father to the State, had retained his son at the court and looked after his education, especially his military training. Rodrigo later rendered such distinguished services in the war in which Sancho became involved with Aragon that he was made alferez (standard-bearer or commander-in-chief) of the king's troops. After ending this war with Aragon, Sancho turned his attention to his plan of despoiling his brothers and sisters (c. 1070). He succeeded in adding to his dominion Leon and Galicia, the portions of his brothers, but not until in each instance Rodrigo had come to his rescue and turned apparent defeat into victory. The city of Toro, the domain of his sister Elvira, was taken without trouble. He then laid siege to the city of Zamora, the portion of his sister Urraca, and there met his fate, being treacherously slain before the gates of the city by one of Urraca's soldiers (1072). Learning this, Alfonso who had been exiled to the Moorish city of Toledo, set out in haste to claim the dominions of his brother, and succeeded him on the throne as Alfonso VI, though not without opposition, from his brother Garcia, in Galicia, and especially in Castile, the inhabitants of which objected to a Leonese king. The story is told, though not on the best historical authority, that the Castilians refused Alfonso their allegiance until he had sworn that he had no hand in his brother's death, and that, as none of the nobles was willing to administer the oath for fear of offending him, Rodrigo did so at Santa Gadea before the assembled nobility. If this be true, it would account in a great measure for the ill-will Alfonso bore Rodrigo, and for his subsequent treatment of him. He did not at first show his hatred, but tried to conciliate Rodrigo and the Castilians by bestowing upon him his niece Jimena in marriage (1074). It was not long, however, before he had an opportunity to satisfy his animosity. Rodrigo having been sent by Alfonso to collect tribute from the king of Seville, Alfonso's vassal, he was accused on his return, by his enemies of having retained a part of it. Whereupon, Alfonso, giving free rein to his hatred, banished him from his dominions (1076). Rodrigo then began his career as a soldier of fortune, which has furnished themes to Spanish poets of early modern times, and which, idealized by tradition and legend, has made of him the champion of Christian Spain against her Moorish invaders. During this period of his career, he offered his services and those of his followers first to one petty ruler and then another, and often fought on his own account, warring indifferently against Christians and Moors, always with distinguished success, and incidentally rising to great power and influence. But in time of necessity his assistance was sought by Alfonso, and in the midst of career of conquest he hastened to the latter's support when he was hard pressed by Yusuf, the founder of Morocco. Through some mistake or misunderstanding, however, he failed to join the king, who listening to the complaints and accusations of the Cid's enemies, took from him all of his possessions, imprisoned his wife and children, and again banished him for his dominions. Disgraced and plundered, the Cid resumed his military operations. Upon his return from one of his campaigns, hearing that the Moors had driven the Christians from Valencia and taken possession of the city, he determined to recapture it from them and become lord of that capital. This he did (1094) after a terrible siege. He spent the remainder of his days there. His two daughters were married to the Infante of Navarre and the Count of Barcelona respectively. His remains were transferred to the monastery of San Pedro de Cardena near Burgos, where they now rest.

The exploits of El Cid form the subject of what is generally considered the oldest monument of Spanish literature. This is an epic poem of a little over 3700 lines as it has reached us (several hundred lines being missing), the author of which, as is not uncommon with works of those days, is unknown. The date of its composition has long been a disputed question. Many critics whose names must be mentioned with respect, among them Dozy and Ticknor, place it at the beginning of the thirteenth century; but today the best opinion places the poem a half-century earlier. Among those who think it was written as early as the middle of twelfth century are many eminent Spanish and foreign scholars, including Sanchez, the first editor of the poem, Capmany, Quintana, Gil y Zarate, Bouterwek, Sismondi, Shlegel, Huber, and Wolf. The learned Amador de los Rios, whose opinion carries great weight, thinks that the famous poem must have been written prior to 1157. Though based upon historical facts, the "Poema del Cid" is to a very large extent legendary. Its theme is twofold, the adventures of the exiled Cid and the mythical marriage of his two daughters to the Counts of Carrion. The first few pages are missing, and what remains opens abruptly with the banishment of the Cid by King Alfonso, and ends with a slight allusion to the hero's death. But the story it tells is not its chief claim to our consideration. The poem deserves to be read for its faithful pictures of the manners and customs of the day it represents. It is written with Homeric simplicity and in the language of the day, the language the Cid himself used, which was slowly divorcing itself from the Latin, but was still only half developed. The versification is rather crude and ill-sustained. The prevailing metre is the Alexandrine or fourteen syllabled verse with a caesural pause after the eighth; but the lines often run into sixteen or even twenty syllables, and sometimes stop at twelve or ten. This however, may be partly due to careless copying.

The adventures of the Cid have furnished material for many dramatic writers, notably to Guillen de Castro, the eminent Valencian poet and dramatist of the early seventeenth century, whose masterpiece, "Las Mocedades del Cid" earned him whatever reputation he enjoyed outside of Spain. This latter work, in turn, furnished the basis for Corneille's brilliant tragedy, "Le Cid", which according to Ticknor, did more than any other drama to determine for two centuries the character of the theatre all over the continent of Europe. Among other works dealing with the life and adventures of the Cid are:

* "La Legenda de las Mocedades de Rodrigo", or "La Crónica Rimada", as it is sometimes called. This work has been thought to be even older than the "Poema del Cid" by some critics, among them so eminent authority as Amador de los Ríos.
* "La Crónica General ó Estoria de España", written by Alfonso the Wise.
* "La Crónica del Cid", the manuscript of which was found in the very place where the Cid lies buried, the monastery of San Pedro de Cardeña. Its author and the time of its appearance are unknown


13 posted on 10/19/2005 6:57:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Es la guerra senor juez!!


14 posted on 10/19/2005 6:59:18 AM PDT by bubman
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To: ScaniaBoy

Come and get them...


15 posted on 10/19/2005 7:00:40 AM PDT by gridlock (Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing... Monty Burns)
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To: ScaniaBoy

By name, or just "those in that tank" kinda order? Spain would lose a war to Girl Scouts if that is how they think a war should be waged; lawyers in every tank.


16 posted on 10/19/2005 7:01:30 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: ScaniaBoy

The Spanish judge can kiss his butt and his gay boyfriend goodbye as far as I'm concerned.

(I don't really know if he has a gay boyfriend, but that's how Spain is becoming these days...Liberal and gay friendly.)


17 posted on 10/19/2005 7:02:06 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: ScaniaBoy
Here's a relatively realistic scenario:

A US soldier takes a vacation to the Caribbean and books his tickets online with Expedia or some such company.

One of these island governments requests lists of customers traveling to their country for security purposes.

The island government has a relationship with Spain and tips Spain to the soldier's travel plans.

Spain quietly works with the island's gov't to extradite the soldier once he arrives.

The soldier arrives, passport control says there's a problem with his passport, asks him to step into an office while they check their paperwork and an island detective then cuffs him and escorts him on the next flight to Barcelona.

18 posted on 10/19/2005 7:03:52 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Sound and fury, signifying nothing.


19 posted on 10/19/2005 7:03:57 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: ScaniaBoy

STFU spain. It is a WAR ZONE after all.


20 posted on 10/19/2005 7:08:55 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Oom (Translation: Shut the F*** up UN))
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