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School cancels prom "orgy"
AP ^ | October 17, 2005 | Frank Eltman

Posted on 10/17/2005 7:21:55 AM PDT by Millee

Brother Kenneth Hoagland had heard all the stories about prom-night debauchery at his Long Island high school: students putting down $10,000 to rent a party house in the Hamptons; pre-prom cocktail parties followed by a trip to the dance in a liquor-loaded limo; fathers chartering a boat for their children's late-night "booze cruise."

Enough was enough, Hoagland said. So the principal of Kellenberg Memorial High School canceled the spring prom in a 2,000- word letter to parents.

"It is not primarily the sex/booze/drugs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it is, rather, the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence," Hoagland said, fed up with what he called the "bacchanalian aspects."

"Each year, it gets worse - becomes more exaggerated, more expensive, more emotionally traumatic," he added. "We are withdrawing from the battle and allowing the parents full responsibility. (The school) is willing to sponsor a prom but not an orgy."

The move brought a mixed, albeit passionate, reaction from students and parents at the Roman Catholic school, which is owned by the Society of Mary (Marianists), a religious order of priests and brothers.

"I don't think it's fair, obviously, that they canceled prom," said senior Alyssa Johnson of Westbury. "There are problems with the prom, but I don't think their reasons or the actions they took solved anything."

Hoagland began talking about the future of the prom last spring after 46 Kellenberg seniors made a $10,000 down payment on a $20,000 rental in the Hamptons for a post-prom party. When school officials found out, they forced the students to cancel the deal; the kids got their money back, and the prom went on as planned. But some parents went ahead and rented a Hamptons house anyway, Hoagland said.

Amy Best, an associate professor of sociology and anthropology at George Mason University in Virginia and the author of "Prom Night: Youth, Schools and Popular Culture," said this is the first time she has heard of a school canceling the prom for such reasons.

"A lot of people have lamented the growing consumption that surrounds the prom," she said, noting it is not uncommon for students to pay $1,000 on the dance and surrounding costs: expensive dresses, tuxedo rentals, flowers, limousines, pre- and post-prom parties.

Edward Lawson, the father of a Kellenberg senior, said he and other parents are discussing whether to organize a prom without the sponsorship of the 2,500- student school.

"I don't think they have a right to judge what goes on after the prom," he said. "They put everybody in the category of drinkers and drug addicts."

Some parents picking up their children on a recent afternoon said they support Hoagland.

"The school has excellent values," said Margaret Cameron of Plainview, N.Y. "We send our children here because we support the values and the administration of the school, and I totally back everything they do."


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To: wideawake

And then when Natalee Halloway disappears in Aruba on a "class trip," at least the school didn't arrange the trip and therefore doesn't have to worry about accepting any responsibility.


141 posted on 10/17/2005 8:27:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Millee

Somewhere, Karl Marx must be smiling on this "Social Crusader". This guy's a joke.


142 posted on 10/17/2005 8:27:22 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: Ace of Spades
This is true in all fluential areas, public or private the kids have the money to buy the drugs.
143 posted on 10/17/2005 8:28:06 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: GOPRaleigh
Here is the second letter:

September 15,2005
Dear Mrs.. . . . .
I have received your letter concerning the Senior Prom (or lack thereof) at Kellenberg
Memorial. I will give first some clarifications, then some explanations, and finally an
overview of what we are really dealing with in our Long Island culture when we say
"Senior Prom."
You are correct - the school calendar does not indicate the date for a Senior Prom. It is
not on our school calendar. KMHS is no longer sponsoring a senior prom. As your own
letter suggests, if parents and/or seniors want a senior prom, they will have a prom, no
matter what the administration says or does. In fact, that is precisely the reason why we
are no longer sponsoring a senior prom - it is so much beyond our control that it is mere
tokenism to put our name on it. Further, why assume moral and legal responsibility for
something that has a life of its own independent of KMHS. So much for the clarification.
What led to this decision? You are acquainted with the events of last May concerning the
KMHS senior prom and its Hampton highlights. You received a letter outlining the
situation and giving some history of what the prom has become. Below are some points
that take up from last May and give some flashback on what has happened in previpus
years.
1) In spite of our "expose" on the illegal and unjust and unsafe rental of "prom " houses
in the Hamptons, nothing changed. The house was sold to another group, and other
houses were engaged. Nothing changed.
2) Over the years parents have become more active in creating the "prom experience,"
from personally signing for houses for a three day drug/sex/alcohol bash, to mothers
making motel reservations for their sons and daughters for after prom get-togethers, to
fathers signing the contract for Captain Jim's booze-cruise out of Huntington for an after
prom adventure. We have become convinced that some parents support this type of
activity, some tolerate it, prefer not to see it, or dismiss it as part of growing up. Some
have expressed the view that it is better to lose one's virginity and get drunk before going
to college, so that parents can be around to help. You figure!
3) There are also pre-prom cocktail parties (real cocktails!) sponsored by parents. The
limosine to the prom is also well stocked, often with parents' knowledge. Seniors often
enter the limosine with a present from home, just in case they run short.
4) Each year it gets worse - becomes more exaggerated, more expensive, more
emotionally traumatic. It would not have gotten this far if a significant portion of parents,
either explicitly or tacitly, did not accept it or tolerate it. We are withdrawing from the
battle and allowing the parents full responsibility. KMHS is willing to sponsor a prom,
but not an orgy.
5) Then comes the rejoinder: yes, but why let a few spoil it for the rest! First of all, it is
not just a few. Secondly, peer pressure and competition create an atmosphere where
young people are drawn into this prom culture which forces them to act, spend, show off,
take risks which they would not normally do. The prom culture is sick - from the
hankering that starts in the freshman year (I have been looking forward to this for four
years), to the preoccupation about dates, dress, competition that absorbs so much of the
senior year. It isn't worth it on the mature scale of things.
6) Because of this hype many seniors admit later on that it was not all that they expected
it to be. It was over-projected, lacked spontaneity, and became an expensive formal
show. In the Christian community this is called "vanity," emptiness. It is one of the
capital sins.
7) It is amazing to see how much effort has been made over the past twenty years to keep
the prom from becoming an orgy, from raffling off a car at 6:OO AM (you have to be there
to win it), to forcing them to stay till 6:OO AM, to putting the prom right before
graduation (with the result that a number of seniors are still intoxicated or supremely
hung-over at graduation). Why go to such outside exertions to keep something sane? If it
constantly becomes such a problem, just drop it. What is so sacred about a prom?
8) One could use the argument which insurance personnel would advise, namely, why
attach your name to something which is so prone to problems and over which you have
little effective control. Good logic (and financial policy)! This argument becomes even
more cogent, given the rise of a sue-happy population and a cadre of unscrupulous
lawyers looking for deep pockets (KMHS has experienced both). However, KMHS is not
liability-shy. We are willing to take on the risks for programs that hlfill our educational
mission. The culture and practice of the senior prom on Long Island can no longer justify
its place in our mission, not just in our liability.
9) Speaking of liability and the ease with which parents want to shift responsibility, we do
have a prom story that involves all the negative aspects of current prom culture as well as
a challenge to KMHS liability. Here is the story. A senior girl was going to the KMHS
prom. After the prom she wanted to go with her prom party to "party" at the family's
cottage on the Eastern end of Long Island. The mother said no. The girl secretly stole the
key without her mother's knowledge and put it in her purse. Her older sister knew what
was to happen at the cottage and did not want her sister to go to the cottage after the
prom. So, she secretly removed the key from her sister's prom purse. The senior went to
the prom with her prom party, confident that the key was in her purse. They left the prom
at the end and were on their way to the East end of Long Island when all of a sudden she
could not find the key. In a panic they returned to the locus of the prom (the KMHS prom
had closed) to look for the key, which, she was sure, had fallen out of her purse.
However, at the prom site were the remains of a raucous wedding celebration. Some
members of her prom party got involved with some members of the wedding party. A
fight ensued, well-fueled by you know what. The police were called but would not enter
the establishment. The physical damage to one of the prom party was so bad that it
required hospitalization. Guess what? The prom party wanted KMHS to pay for the
damages, including the hospitalization, since "we did not provide adequate security for
the prom party." Who needs this?
10) Some ask about a "compromise." What is there to compromise? Sanity, proportion,
modesty, common sense?
11) Long Island, known in some circles as Wrong Island, is an alcohol culture. It starts
early and never ends. Because of our affluence and arrogance everything has to be
exaggerated - bigger, better, more, over the top. Our students do not learn how to drink
socially. Their goal is to get roaring drunk as quickly as possible and boast about it the
next day. The incidence of binge drinking is rising on college campuses. Long Island has
more than its share of what is an American flaw - we eschew moderation. Here is the
irony: we decided some years ago that a youth reached "majority" at eighteen years of
age - for everything (marriage, contracts, etc.) except for drinking! He and she cag get
married, buy a home, have a child, but legally cannot have a drink at their own wedding.
Europe does not have that adolescent problem of drinking. Why can't we be moderate?
12) Aside from the bacchanalian aspects of the prom - alcohol/sex/drugs -
there is a root problem for all this and it is affluence. Affluence changes people. Too
much money is not good for the soul. Our young people have too much money. Sounds
simple, but it is true. When Jesus said that it was very hard for a rich man to enter the
kingdom of heaven, it shocked his hearers and it still shocks us. Wealth is powerful, not
only in terms of possessions, but in being possessed by it. Wealth changes personalities,
priorities, principles. The prom has become the occasion of conspicuous consumption -
from dress, to limosines, to entertainment.
13) We do not wear our wealth well in Long Island, particularly as we are one of the
wealthiest areas in the UnitedStates. Is our wealth corrupting us? The attached article
describes the extravagance associated with "Sweet Sixteen" parties. Again, the
competitive culture forces parents to throw a party for these middle adolescents which
many cannot afford and those who can should not afford. What are we teaching our
children? And then we come to the wedding! Fifty to one hundred thousand dollars is
not rare. And to what end? Vanity of vanities and all is vanity, say the Scriptures.
14) Some may say: it is my money; I can do what I want with it. Well, yes, you can, but
not without moral repercussions. And now we come to the heart of the matter. It is not
primarily the sex/booze/dmgs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it
is rather the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity
for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence. But it is my money, I can do what I
want with it. Yes, but not without moral repercussions.
15) Wealth is a wonderful thing. It is a sharing in the fmits of God's creation. Becoming
a millionaire can be a spiritually enriching experience, provided you answer two
questions correctly: how did you get it, and what are you doing with it. Was it gotten at
the expense a God, family, integrity, by shady deals, corporate `conspiracy, taking unfair
advantage? And what are you doing with it (and what has it done to you and your
family)?
16) I do not intend here to give a treatise on the capital sin of avarice or greed. Suffice it
to recall St. Paul's words: the lust for money is the root of all evil. How true! But we are
concerned about how our young people are being educated in the use of wealth and the
experience of power that wealth gives. A great deal of their future happiness or
unhappiness, both human and spiritual, will be determined by their interaction with
wealth or the desire for it. Most people think of sex and murder when they hear the word
morality. But there is a morality of money. The bad use of money or wealth in any form
is immoral. Finally, we have begun (only) to become conscious of how we use our
natural resources. There can be (and often has been) an immoral use of land, water,
wildlife, and natural elements. Our Lordship over all creation is not without moral
consequences. As with time, so with wealth - we will be called to account for how we
have used them. The current culture of the prom on Long Island does not represent to us
a proper Christian use of wealth.
P
17) A school establishes its academic profile to fit the goals for which the school is
founded. The academic profile is complemented by an activity profile. It is through these
activities that adolescents learn skills that the academic profile does not give - such as
self-reliance, cooperation, loyalty, affective relationships, social consciousness, personal
performance, etc. For example, physical sports or athletics are introduced into the school
program, not because we are in the entertainment business or because parents want to
relive their adolescence through their own children, or because the administration is a
bunch of frustrated all-Americans, but because these activities, natural to adolescents,
can be a powerful vehicle for attaining the affective goals of the school. The athletic
activity itself, like the senior prom, is prone to distortion. Sometimes the sport itself
degenerates into a physical activity that has little to do with education. And sometimes
the legitimate athletic activity is distorted through its use by coaches, parents, or school
administration. The conduct of the sport is no longer governed by the educational needs
of the students, but by the ego-needs of the adults. Such was our experience with hockey.
After repeated attempts, we admitted defeat on two counts: the sport itself kept
degenerating into physical mayhem, while the parental role and conduct of the parents
was primitive. It no longer was a fit vehicle for the educational goals of the school. And
so, KMHS no longer sponsored a hockey program. Hockey still exists and a number of
KMHS students may play hockey, but we do not consider it a proper vehicle for
education.
18) So, too, with the senior prom. We have come to the conclusion that it has a life of its
own which is no longer commensurate with the goals of Christian education. And so we
dropped sponsoring it. We eliminated it from our roster of activities (as we did with
hockey). Senior drinking parties will continue; three day bashes will continue in the
Hamptons; parents will continue to organize all these activities; a great deal of money
will be spent. The only difference is that Kellenberg Memorial High School will not be
part of that scene. That's all!
Father Philip K. Eichner, S.M.
President, KMHS Principal, KMHS
Brother Kenneth M. Hoagland, S.M.

144 posted on 10/17/2005 8:28:38 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: camle

What can he do about the sex/drugs/booze after the prom?

Not much.

What can he do about the escalating expenses and showing off?

Plenty.

And he did.


145 posted on 10/17/2005 8:28:40 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: camle

I understand your point. It reads as though the principal has a bigger problem with the display of wealth. Perhaps he doesn't want to be seen as a "stick in the mud" as much as a liberal. Nevertheless, cudos for his nerve to cancel and stand up to the irate parents.


146 posted on 10/17/2005 8:29:10 AM PDT by Zechariah11 (Was the Purpose Driven Life published in Laodecea?)
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To: Warren_Piece
Proving that high school has become a pernicious institution, in many ways. All the children from 15-18 are herded together, including many who have absolutely no academic aptitude, and a common denominator is established which seems to grow lower and lower. And why? In the '30s, it was to keep youngetsr off the job market. Now, when so many kids work during the school year and McDonalds would go out of business without teenage hires, that goal has been anandoned. The academically capable do not have to work hard, because the level of instruction must accomodate the incapable. Even advanced placement courses for the college-bound are not as rigorous as ordinary classes were in the '30s and'40s. High school seems more and more to be a place where youngsters are taught how to be good consumers and to have the "right" attitudes. But as for the latter, those attitudes would not have been regarded as "right" a couple of generations. And they don't succeeded even in achieving the social peace promises by racial integration. Differences are as intense as they ever were among the immigrant populations. One expects this among the Latinos new to the country, but not among the black populations, who seem slower to assimilate than the new arrivals from Mexico and Central America.
147 posted on 10/17/2005 8:29:22 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Millee

It's not just the prom. My daughter's plans for this weekend's homecoming dance were getting so out of control we had to put our foot (feet?) down and draw some boundaries.

It's homecoming, for heaven's sake, not her wedding day. She's trying to make it into something out of a fairy tale.


148 posted on 10/17/2005 8:29:53 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: frogjerk; camle; VRWCmember; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
In fact, that is precisely the reason why we are no longer sponsoring a senior prom - it is so much beyond our control that it is mere tokenism to put our name on it. Further, why assume moral and legal responsibility for something that has a life of its own independent of KMHS.

there he said it, exactly what i thought the sentiment was behind the cancellation.

149 posted on 10/17/2005 8:32:35 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: desherwood7
Somewhere, Karl Marx must be smiling on this "Social Crusader". This guy's a joke.

Read the letters for the full story. You should know better than to believe in the Associated Press...

150 posted on 10/17/2005 8:32:36 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: desherwood7

I am sorry that you disagree but I'm well acquainted with Kellenberg High and I agree with the priest.


151 posted on 10/17/2005 8:32:42 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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To: Warren_Piece
No limos. No after-parties. I'm am trying to steel myself to hysterical tears and getting called the worst parent ever, multiple times.

I'm there now. It's no picnic, but the long-term reward will be there. Someday. :-)

152 posted on 10/17/2005 8:33:02 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: xsmommy
Correct. This is why he said: "We are withdrawing from the battle and allowing the parents full responsibility. (The school) is willing to sponsor a prom but not an orgy."
153 posted on 10/17/2005 8:34:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: wideawake
That's what they say.

The real reason is that they hope to purchase their child's love and respect -- like they purchase everything else.

154 posted on 10/17/2005 8:34:51 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: GOPRaleigh
I still think the money argument is a bad one - he is correct on the morality. The morality issue is more than reason enough to cancel the event.

------
If the qoute was taken in context what you say is true.

I wonder if a public school had announced that they were canceling a prom because of the sex, drugs and booze (the students obviously cannot afford a $20,000 whorehouse for the evening) the reaction on this thread would have been the same.

You can see the morals of our country going down the toilet. If it is this bad now, what will it be like for the next generation?
155 posted on 10/17/2005 8:35:40 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: thomas16

Yes, you're right, but do you really want to go out of your way to put yourself (or your kids) in that environment? At least at the local public school the kids didn't drive better cars than the teachers!


156 posted on 10/17/2005 8:36:48 AM PDT by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: frogjerk
see my post here above. maybe it takes having some familiarity with the situation at these schools, but i applaud the priest for cancelling. why be complicit in the parent sponsored debauchery by having the school associated with it in any way.
157 posted on 10/17/2005 8:36:51 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

I was wondering if it was the legal responsibility aspect -


158 posted on 10/17/2005 8:37:21 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: DTogo

"What kind of parents would actually encourage and sponsor such activities, especially for their daughters? Someday perhaps I'll meet one and ask in utter disbelief."

Very wealthy, uninvolved, happless, nieve parents raising "nanny key" kids that are familiar with competing in social circles of lavish lifestyles in the arena of Snootville.


159 posted on 10/17/2005 8:37:33 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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To: Ace of Spades
"To the people who like to idealize Catholic schools, I can speak from experience. You get the same garbage there that you do in public schools, only there's more money involved."

That was my experience, too. Unfortunately HS was a purgatory for me partly because my folks didn't have a lot of money.

160 posted on 10/17/2005 8:38:35 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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