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'NY Times' Publishes Devastating Judith Miller Article, Raising Serious Questions...
Editor and Publisher ^ | October 15, 2005 | Greg Mtichell

Posted on 10/15/2005 4:35:48 PM PDT by Laverne

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To: Howlin

When losing, obfuscate!


101 posted on 10/15/2005 8:34:08 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: bjc

bjc wrote: "Finally, it is beyond sense that Miller would not know or have connections with CIA analyst involved in WMD proliferation and hence know of Plame. She is clearly not revealing all her sources."

Bingo! the Flame puzzled me for this very reason. But then Judy herself "explained" it when she accounted for a possible reason for her "Victoria" Wilson later in that same notebook. She herself speculates that perhaps she had deliberately mispoken this name in front of Libby to see his reaction, whether he'd correct her (or something to this effect) OR (conspiracy theorists, pay attention!!!!) TAKE THE BAIT! It makes no sense that a NYT reporter would be so sloppy in her notetaking that she wouldn't even record her source for something. It makes far more sense that she already knew the name and hence her notes record no source for this info. Sadly, if she knew Plame, then we can't pin this leak of Plame's name to Miller on Joe Wilson.

But the more nefarious explanation for both entries is that they were added way after the fact, that Miller is trying to make Libby look guilty even while overtly claiming she can't be sure. She could reason that Fitzgerald doesn't need bulletproof evidence to indict--just sufficient smoke, so to speak. But I doubt that Miller would be so ballsy as to fabricate evidence and I also think Fitzgerald is smarter than to indict on such flimsy evidence.

The subjects of indictments almost never testify before GJ's (since prosecutor is obliged to warn them they are target before testifying, hence few lawyers advising them let them testify since the risks of doing so generally outweigh any conceivable benefits). Thus, I actually find it encouraging that both Libby and Rove have testified and even more encouraging that Wilson and Plame have not. I personally think Fitzgerald may be after Wilson himself. Time will tell.


102 posted on 10/15/2005 8:51:00 PM PDT by DrC (DrC)
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To: Rocketwolf68
Wouldn't it explain alot if it was Plame herself who blabbed to Miller.

It would have been or should have been clear to Miller in her likley dealings with Plame, by the very nature of Plame's work, that Plame was an element of the Intelligence Community. And Plame no doubt confirmed that to Miller some way to establish her bona fides. And why not? Plame probably thought Miller herself was connected to the spook world, by virture of the work she was doing at the NYT. If anyone is at risk of violating the anti-spook-outing law, it thus could be Miller herself, especially if she has a security clearance. That is one simple, relevant question that could be posed to her: Have you ever had a security clearance?

I say this because of Miller's own characterization of herself as "Miss Run Amok," operating without any real supervision or control, proclaiming ownership of the WMD story and gaining access to a torrent of IC propaganda sources on that. Her stories were always a little too good to be true.

Don't think for a minute that the top levels of US journalism are not salted with IC plants. Not a lot, maybe, but key voices in key publications. Told just enough to be useful and obedient enough not to stray off topic.

103 posted on 10/15/2005 8:55:59 PM PDT by Tenega
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To: Laverne
8 pages and the NYT still won't admit that Wilson lied in his editorial and they gladly carried water for him hoping to tarnish the administration. All they could do is talk about how people didn't like Miller and how they were angry at her for believing that Iraq ever had WMDs.

What a bunch of pathetic scumbags.

104 posted on 10/15/2005 9:56:18 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Tenega
I have long considered that Miller must have been acquainted with Plame - as others have noted, Miller's specialty was WMD, and so was Plame's.

Look at this tidbit from Miller's 'story':

My notes contain a phrase inside parentheses: "Wife works at Winpac." Mr. Fitzgerald asked what that meant. Winpac stood for Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation, and Arms Control, the name of a unit within the C.I.A. that, among other things, analyzes the spread of unconventional weapons.

Miller's notes contained the Winpac acronym, but not the explanation of the full name. Clearly, then, Winpac was not a new acronym to Miller, and must not have been introduced or spelled out by Libby at the time of the note-taking, otherwise it would have been written out in full in Miller's notes. So if Miller is already familiar with Winpac, it doesn't take much of a leap to believe that she already knows people in that organization, and probably knows Plame herself.

105 posted on 10/15/2005 9:58:03 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: Laverne
In this memoir, Miller claims that she simply "could not recall" where the "Valerie Flame" notation came from, "when I wrote it or why the name was misspelled."

Maybe it's because you are a dunce, Judith.

106 posted on 10/15/2005 9:59:43 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Howlin; Doctor Raoul; kristinn; Buckhead; holdonnow; writer33
"In a somewhat amusing sidelight, Miller at the end of her piece addresses the much-discussed "aspens are already turning" letter from Libby last month that some thought was written in code or somehow had something to do with Aspen, Colo. Well, the Aspen part is right, Miller confirms, recalling a conference in that city in 2003 and an expected encounter with Libby -- in cowboy hat and sunglasses -- shortly afterward."

I'm not amused. Why was Scooter Libby at the Aspen Institute's Brainstorm conference with former President Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, and former General Wesley Clarke in July of 2003 (i.e. 2004 Presidential election cycle)?

http://www.aspeninstitute.org/site/c.huLWJeMRKpH/b.613381/k.59F0/Celebration_Week_July_28August_2.htm

107 posted on 10/15/2005 10:24:45 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
It does not explicitly state that Libby was at Aspen - rather, he evidently ran into Miller in Wyoming. From Miller's NYT article:

In answer, I told the grand jury about my last encounter with Mr. Libby. It came in August 2003, shortly after I attended a conference on national security issues held in Aspen, Colo. After the conference, I traveled to Jackson Hole, Wyo. At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was.

"Judy," he said. "It's Scooter Libby."

Now, how did he know that Miller had been at the Aspen conference? Did it mean that he was there, or did he guess, or did someone else tell him about Miller being there, or what?

108 posted on 10/15/2005 10:33:27 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: CFC__VRWC

Who wrote this article? The publisher? The point of view is that Judith Miller was an out of control staff reporter whom everyone there hates. Why didn't they just fire her?

The reason this article is confusing is that the writer does not want to take responsibility for Miller working for the Times. You can read into it the politics of the newsroom, but maybe someone just needs to be sacrificed because Sulzberger screwed up.


109 posted on 10/15/2005 10:38:49 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for the ping. I hope it all comes out in 2 weeks -- I don't understand it all.


110 posted on 10/15/2005 10:43:42 PM PDT by Kay
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To: Laverne
This was obviously to deflect attention from the Cheney office's effort to hurt Wilson.

Don't you love the way the Old Grey Lady leaps immediately to the assumption that it was CHENEY'S fault!

111 posted on 10/15/2005 11:00:03 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Enchante; STARWISE; cyncooper

(( ping ))

You don't want to miss this one.


112 posted on 10/15/2005 11:25:22 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SuziQ

Actually, that sentence comes from Editor and Publisher, and not from the NY Times...


113 posted on 10/15/2005 11:26:01 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: sanjacjake

Ah, yes, forgot the most important part.
Someone should send Chrissy a can of strawberries and a set of steel balls.


114 posted on 10/16/2005 1:07:06 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: jimbo123

That second point seems far more important than the first, considering all the other Washingtonians who seemed to already know Plame's CIA status. Also the timeline of Plame's covert to non-covert transition (bearing children seems to be a bit of an obstacle in the spy game) doesn't seem to qualify as pertinent to the law involving exposing an active CIA undercover operative. I hadn't even heard about the Al-Qaeda tip-off. Why did they let her out of jail?!


115 posted on 10/16/2005 2:02:54 AM PDT by skr (Shopping for a tagline that fits or a fitting tagline...whichever I find first.)
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To: skr

Details on the two investigations by Fitzgerald of NY Times and Judith Miller. The Valerie Plame issue and the Al Qaeda fundraiser tipoffs. And whenever the press says the the matters are unrelated, you know they're related. Fitzgeralds wants to know from the NY Times and Judith Miller, who told her about the upcoming Al Qaeda raids?

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB112259089033899249-6eJAQFJYZQQKUnUcZ75nGzdfauA_20060729.html


116 posted on 10/16/2005 5:13:41 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: skr

Pat Fitzgerald's OTHER investigation of the NY Times and Judith Miller:

Feds investigate possible leak of terror fund probe

http://www.suntimes.com/output/terror/cst-nws-fitz12.html


117 posted on 10/16/2005 5:20:07 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: fullchroma; Quilla

Agreed. This was a set up from the beginning.


118 posted on 10/16/2005 6:05:35 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: surrey
This was just another "forgery" scandal directed at the White House.

Is the New York Times related to "Times, Inc.?" The reason I ask is because Mandy Grunwald's father was Op Ed of Times, Inc. for a long time. Mandy is Hillary's best friend and media advisor. She ran Bubba's last campaign.

Mandy's father died not too long ago. He was the first in an unkind way that Nixon should resign. Lo and Behold, shortly after he died, Deep Throat came out. We know others than Felt were involved in Deep Throat. The agreement was "upon death" or mutual agreement, Deep Throat would/could become known.

119 posted on 10/16/2005 6:10:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Batrachian
"It would have been easy enough to out Plame, assuming she really was an undercover agent, anonymously. I can't stand amateurish shenanigans of this kind."

Assuming she was, I find it odd that your outrage would be directed at the 'amateurish' nature of the outing, rather than the illegal and unethical nature of it...

120 posted on 10/16/2005 6:14:44 AM PDT by lugsoul (Sleeper troll since 1999.)
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