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White House warns holdouts
U.S.News.com ^ | 10/13/05 | Kenneth T. Walsh

Posted on 10/13/2005 5:47:35 PM PDT by baystaterebel

White House officials have a message for conservative Republican senators who have expressed doubt about supporting Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers.

The West Wing types argue that she will turn out to be just as conservative as President Bush says she is, and voting against her would be an embarrassment over the long term. This message is intended for holdouts including Sam Brownback of Kansas, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania.

"If Miers is confirmed and she winds up being what the president says she is, Republican senators who voted against her will look quite foolish," says a GOP insider. This could cause a backlash against these legislators from conservative Bush supporters at the grass roots.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
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To: Gondring

Something's wrong somewhere when a Republican president wouldn't relish a bloody, high-profile political fight against the likes of Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin, and Joe Biden. Heaven couldn't hand deliver such unpopular and unattractive foes. An ideological showdown with President Bush and Priscilla Owen (as an example) on one side, holding firm to constitutional principles, and Dunce Cap Row (the Senate judiciary committee Democrats) on the other, would result in floods of phone calls & e-mails to senate offices, running 4 to 1 in favor of confirming Owen. The base would rally. We here at FreeRepublic would be united instead of torn asunder. 'Rat senators from Red States such as Landrieu, Bill Nelson, and Conrad would be begging the Democrat leadership to back down. I'll never understand why the President didn't hit Schumer right in the teeth with an ideological baseball bat on this one.


281 posted on 10/13/2005 8:30:07 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: falpro

You didn't answer my question about Gonzales v. Owen. Which is the strict constructionist? How would tell?


282 posted on 10/13/2005 8:31:50 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
This is not transparent government. Kinda sticks in my craw.

I hear you. I feel like the wool is being pulled over our eyes on this one. Not good.

283 posted on 10/13/2005 8:34:08 PM PDT by planekT (Something really needs to be done about this crap.)
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To: calex59
No matter how bad this nomination is, it is not worth sitting on your hands and letting the Dems get control again.

Get over it and start worrying about what you are doing to the base.

The party has the duty to woo the voters. Make promises and deliver, holds the votes. Make promises and welch, you take yer chances.

What the GOP is tone deaf to is operating on higher principle. It's become a clique, popularity club, whatever.

I have never seen such a bunch of whiny children.

Yep. that warms me up. Makes me feel gooood all over.

284 posted on 10/13/2005 8:35:47 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: GladesGuru

No one has been "betrayed" however there are those attempting to democratize the process of selection. Some apparent believe THEY are selecting Justices rather than, as per the Constitution, the President.

The Lynch Mob mentality which has arise in the ultra-ultras around here shows plainly why the process was carefully placed out of the hands of the voters. Since Senators are now elected by the People, unlike the President, that process has gotten a little more politicized. That was a mistake.

It is amazing that the Antis believe THEY are supposed to approve of a nomination rather than, as per the Constitution, the Senate.


285 posted on 10/13/2005 8:38:08 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: cherub05
"In all my years as a conservative, I NEVER encountered ANY conservative who believed it was wrong to voice opposition to any president"

And I don't think anyone's saying that now.

Aaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah.

Thanks for the humor.

I AM DOING THAT ! But I may have misread your post.

You're joking right?

286 posted on 10/13/2005 8:38:26 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: HarleyLady27

"Well I don't know about the rest of PA. but this one here is NOT voting for Santorum.... He has proven to me that he needs to be replaced"

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ... NO!

There is ONE ... count it ... ONE CONSERVATIVE in the Senate from the northeast. He is an endangered species and deserves every chance possible to get re-elected. Destroy Santorum and conservatism in the entire northeast dies.

"watch what happens when you don't represent the people that put you in office"

oh, I see, so you will put a liberal Democrat in there who get a 0% American Conservative Rating instead of a 95% rating like Santorum does and you'll feel right at home knowing you have a proven enemy in your Senator instead of an uncertain friend.

Please - I gave money to Toomey and it wasnt enough, even 50% of the GOP *primary* voters take a RINO over a Conservative. YOU WILL NEVER EVER GET ANYONE AS GOOD AS SANTORUM IN PA AGAIN IF YOU LET HIM LOSE THE ELECTION!!


287 posted on 10/13/2005 8:38:30 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: af_vet_1981

Ha, ha. Man, oh man. My friend you don't even know who is on the president's side. By you're definition of all criticism = treason, the president has about sixteen supporters in the country. If you're the sort of advocate Bush is going to have to rely on to make the case for Miers...prospects look good for a defeat of the nomination.


288 posted on 10/13/2005 8:39:02 PM PDT by empirekin768
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To: af_vet_1981
Indeed he does, I even saw pictures of his commie disciples holding their anti-American signs at that Anti-America rally last month. Those pictures helped bring several people over to the GOP for the next elections...They make it so easy for us
289 posted on 10/13/2005 8:39:08 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: sinkspur
So, there's no reason to trash Bush or Miers over this nomination. I recognize there are people who have such shallow lives that a SC choice sends them to the Xanax bottle, but I never knew there were so many.

I agree there's no reason to trash either Bush or Miers (or is it Meirs?) So far, I don't see any reason to stand up and applaud the nominee, either.

As for shallow lives... this is an extremely important matter for people like me who rabidly supported the President's campaigns, in response to his promises about the type of Justice he would put on the Court.

The Court was my number one voting issue.

290 posted on 10/13/2005 8:39:37 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: puroresu
I'll never understand why the President didn't hit Schumer right in the teeth with an ideological baseball bat on this one.

Because he'd rather play ball with him.

291 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:26 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Earthdweller

Why how could that be? I guess the Antis will call them RINOs even though some thought Miers should be pulled and replaced by Sessions.


292 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:42 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: trubluolyguy
Oh dear God NOOOOO! What is bush going to do start supporting RINO's in the primaries? Oh wait. He already does that on a regular basis.

Funny, because it is true.

293 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:42 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (you call me a right wing extremist and a Rushbot like it's a bad thing.....)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"And in a couple of years, when it turns out she is a scalia or thomas, at least in result, the conservatives who weren't against the nominee from the beginning would look at senators who voted against her because she wasn't conservative enough will have lost some credibility."

That is why most Senators are either supportive (giving the President a chance), and/or 'wait and see'.

The only thing that would be REALLY galling would be a Senator who voted FOR Ginsburg to come out against Miers and try to explain the higher scrutiny needed for a Bush pick over a Clinton pick.

We NEVER should have let Ginsburg get on there so easily.


294 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:48 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: TontoKowalski
Yup!

I do not want another Souter or Ginsburg as much if not more then anyone else.

She gets into committee all bets are off. She either deserves the nomination or she doesn't. Kill it there, where it is meant to be killed.

This theater of the absurd is not how it should be done.
295 posted on 10/13/2005 8:40:55 PM PDT by baystaterebel (http://omphalosgazer.blogspot.com/)
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To: af_vet_1981
It is not a big chunk of the base that is attacking Miers. It is the people who make their living off the base, as well as the malcontents who hate the President anyway. Most conservatives were probably disappointed in her selection but trust the President enough to support him and her.

Right, those malcontents were out walking precincts in 2000, 2002, and 2004--for W. I guess they hated the president secretly. That makes them official af_vet_1981 traitors, I guess.

I happen to be in the "hold your nose and very reluctantly support her because the president has made a big bloody mistake and I don't want it to turn into a huge, smashing defeat" crowd. Half the time, I feel like I'm compromising my principles to go even that far. And I ran hundreds of volunteers for W in the last two elections and am a party official.

Do you see a problem that this is the strongest reaction I can come up with in favor of my president? Or does that make me a af_vet_1981 'traitor' like most of the other folks on this thread?

Honestly, your posts on this thread are so over the line that I suspect you think you are being funny. On the other hand, I fear you are not.

296 posted on 10/13/2005 8:41:56 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Cboldt
You didn't answer my question about Gonzales v. Owen.

I ignored it on purpose. The issue-switcher tactic is boring.

297 posted on 10/13/2005 8:42:13 PM PDT by falpro
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To: nj26

That would be difficult to justify since most of them supported Breyer and Ginsburg.


298 posted on 10/13/2005 8:42:35 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: WOSG
Please - I gave money to Toomey and it wasnt enough, even 50% of the GOP *primary* voters take a RINO over a Conservative.

In order to support the POTUS and Rick Santorum, so I disagree with that premis of yours

YOU WILL NEVER EVER GET ANYONE AS GOOD AS SANTORUM IN PA AGAIN IF YOU LET HIM LOSE THE ELECTION!!

I agree. If Santorum goes down the PA GOP powers that be will field nothing but RINO's.

299 posted on 10/13/2005 8:43:29 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (you call me a right wing extremist and a Rushbot like it's a bad thing.....)
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To: planekT; Cboldt
I hear you. I feel like the wool is being pulled over our eyes on this one. Not good.

This was a chance to fight back against the Borking tendency and force the left to stand tall and confirm like the pubbies did for RBG, or else show the public how THEY are the problem....yet Bush blew it.

300 posted on 10/13/2005 8:44:22 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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