Posted on 10/05/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by Lukasz
SUKHUMI, September 30 (RIA Novosti) - The president of Abkhazia, a self-proclaimed independent republic on Georgian territory, said he would not agree to the deployment of U.S. and EU peacekeeping forces in the region.
"The CIS peacekeeping troops were sent to the Georgian-Abkhazian conflict zone in line with the May 14, 1994 agreement on a ceasefire and the disengagement of forces," Sergei Bagapsh said, responding to a proposal by Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to involve the United States and the European Union in the peacemaking process. "Abkhazia does not plan on making any amendments to the document."
"No other countries can be engaged in the peacekeeping process without our consent," Bagapsh said.
Saakashvili said Wednesday that the U.S. and EU should be part of the settlement efforts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the other self-proclaimed republic in Georgia. "Russia has played a crucial role in the process, but the U.S., which has expressed willingness, must also get involved," the Georgian president said.
Saakashvili said the EU could also play a central role in resolving the conflicts. "Russia is a major player, but Europe must also become more actively involved."
Moldova's Transdnestr region, another self-proclaimed post-Soviet republic, recently agreed to U.S. and EU mediation but only as observers, the republic's foreign ministry said Friday.
The decision regarding Transdnestr was reached during recent talks between the two conflicting sides and mediators (Russia, Ukraine, and the OSCE) held in Odessa, a Ukrainian Black Sea city. The OSCE adopted a document that said observers had no right to participate in decision-making, to sign protocols, to preside over meetings, or to call for meetings.
"We have long been opposed to U.S. involvement, as its role in the Balkans, for example, did not improve, but rather deteriorated, things," Valery Litskai, the foreign minister of Transdnestr, said.
And yet you've spent this thread defending the Stalinist set borders and migration policies and defending the attempted extermination of the Abkhaz by the Georgians? Oh please.
Uh,actually , that was Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Did you mean to say he warned about "going abroad in search of monsters to destroy?"
In fact you are the one who does not believe anyone is a Christian except those who belong to your own Orthodox church, and that all Catholics and Protestants are damned heretics.
So, as usual, you are the one who is guilty of what you have falsely accused me of.
Abkhazia needs Muslim support to resist pressure for concessions
Is there a place for Islam in Mikhael Saakashvili’s Christian Georgia?
Really? Shall we expect to see that along with the antisemtic claims you made against me? I'm still waiting on that proof.
Well, according to your words, since we and the Catholics believe in the Godhead, we are pagans, or did you forget?
"Godhead?" And you accused me of believeing in Greek paganism?
145 posted on 09/30/2005 1:59:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Millions for defense but not one penny for tribute!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 144 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
In fact you accused me of believing in Greek Paganism because I believe that Jesus Christ is One in Being with the Father.
Don't you pop psychologists call this "projection?"
All anyone has to do is read your posts to see the most disgusting anti-Catholic bigotry. Catholics are nazis on a Drag Noch Osten Crusade as far as your concerned.
OK, RusIvan--what do you suggest ? Start redrawing the borders because they were drawn originally by Stalin ? How about challenging the borders installed by Ivan Grozny (the terrible) Peter the Great Ivan III (The Great) Than what would be left of Russia--Moscow province -:))) ?
OK, RusIvan--what do you suggest ? Start redrawing the borders because they were drawn originally by Stalin ? ==
Some borders are disputed by people who live there.
As I already told you if georgians will find even 10 abkhasians who will fight on thier side THEN they prove that abkhasians are simply separtatists.
Otherwise it seems that abkhazians wholesale hate georgians and you simply cann't compel them to live in Georgia. If you find even 10 abkhaaians who live in Georgia today it would be proving something too.
You probably know that hundreds of thousands of chechens live in Russia' regions today and those who in Chechenya fought on federal side against vakhabit islamists.
Thing completely impossible concerning Georgia and abkhasians or osetians.
The descendants of the muslims expelled to Turkey in the late 1800's support the Abkhazians against the Christian nation of Georgia.==
Expelled by whom? DO you know that third of georgians (the adjarians) are muslims?
The point is this, these entities, like Lukasz are supporting the Stalinist policies of the 1920s, ==
Yeah:). Sametime he is absolutely against STalin' drawn borders of Poland especially estern border.
SO one man in time may deny one deed of bloody Stalin and support another. Controvercy? Yes.
One more thing is interesting.
Lukasz as pole pledges his friendship toward ukranians and belloruses but they hold the lands which he think polish (so called "Eastern Poland").
Since he cann't devide himself to befriend and to hate same people who grabbed "his" land. SO he hates russians for that:) but he knows perfectly well that Stalin wasnn't russian and russians never had no "estern Poland"'s lands.
It is illogical but it suits him:).
There is 48% of Georgians and only 17% of Abkhazians. So these lands belongs to Gergians like Kaliningrad belongs to Russians.
I have a strong feeling that you and jb6 competing which one of you will write more lies about me here. This is a pity that you both are unable to discuss like civilized people do. I’m tired of denying these statement that I never made. So you guys need to grow up.
There is 48% of Georgians and only 17% of Abkhazians. So these lands belongs to Gergians like Kaliningrad belongs to Russians.==
Accually I agree.
I have a strong feeling that you and jb6 competing which one of you will write more lies about me here. ==
Don't you tell that "russians" grabbed eastern polish lands?
In 1939Soviet Union conquered Eastern Poland. Of course most of these lands where not ethnically Polish. I many times wrote in previous threads that Poland has not any territorial claims towards Ukraine, Belarus or Lithuania. How many times I need to write the same things? Which part you don’t understand?
In 1939Soviet Union conquered Eastern Poland. ==
So now it was Soviet Union in 1939. It is good since it is true. But I remember those times here on FR when they said that it was "russians".
If you remember I always disputed that. Now you correct some previous conviction? I'm glad:). Really:).
If I somehow offended you then I appologize. It was no intentions just polemics zeal:).
It was an Ajarian who threw a hand grenade at President Bush. Ajaria is another region which didn't want Georgian rule. The Ajarians don't want the Russian troops there to leave. When Georgia reclaimed Ajaria, their leader Abashidze fled -- to Russia.
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