Posted on 10/05/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by Lukasz
SUKHUMI, September 30 (RIA Novosti) - The president of Abkhazia, a self-proclaimed independent republic on Georgian territory, said he would not agree to the deployment of U.S. and EU peacekeeping forces in the region.
"The CIS peacekeeping troops were sent to the Georgian-Abkhazian conflict zone in line with the May 14, 1994 agreement on a ceasefire and the disengagement of forces," Sergei Bagapsh said, responding to a proposal by Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to involve the United States and the European Union in the peacemaking process. "Abkhazia does not plan on making any amendments to the document."
"No other countries can be engaged in the peacekeeping process without our consent," Bagapsh said.
Saakashvili said Wednesday that the U.S. and EU should be part of the settlement efforts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the other self-proclaimed republic in Georgia. "Russia has played a crucial role in the process, but the U.S., which has expressed willingness, must also get involved," the Georgian president said.
Saakashvili said the EU could also play a central role in resolving the conflicts. "Russia is a major player, but Europe must also become more actively involved."
Moldova's Transdnestr region, another self-proclaimed post-Soviet republic, recently agreed to U.S. and EU mediation but only as observers, the republic's foreign ministry said Friday.
The decision regarding Transdnestr was reached during recent talks between the two conflicting sides and mediators (Russia, Ukraine, and the OSCE) held in Odessa, a Ukrainian Black Sea city. The OSCE adopted a document that said observers had no right to participate in decision-making, to sign protocols, to preside over meetings, or to call for meetings.
"We have long been opposed to U.S. involvement, as its role in the Balkans, for example, did not improve, but rather deteriorated, things," Valery Litskai, the foreign minister of Transdnestr, said.
Your answer: "...as for the Chechens, sure if they take only the land they had in 1920, which is the southern half of what they now own..." - post 164
I don't support Chechen statehood in any case.
Just a reminder. It was Russians (not under Stalin but before) who SAVED Baltics nations from assimilation/eradication by Germans and Swedes. If for example Latvia had remained under German rule, Latvians would be today where Baltic Pruses and Polabians are (together with Tasmanians in the land of everlasting hunting ).
Second a significant parts of Estonia and Latvia were ethnically Russian for centuries.
Third, Estonians were part of Russia from the beginning, before MOST of Russians. They were one of the four founding tribes of oldest Rus (together with one Finnish tribe and two northern Slavic tribes) united by the fifth tribe of Scandinavian Ruses.
In any case the Russians did not save them from anything since they only imposed a communist tyranny on them responsible for more genocide than even the nazis.
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I guess the "supporters" of one side are not the most objective group? As far as I know the expulsions did take place. I am not a jihadist.
I said "before the 1917 Revolution". The communist tyranny was imposed both on Russians and on Baltia by the Communists from various ethnic groups. Balts, especially Latvians played the crucial role in Bolshevik victory. Don't you know it?
As for Abkhazia, yes I agree that it's time to set a time line for Russian troops to leave the region and reintegrate Abkhazia into Georgia. ==
Problem is that abkhasians don't want to go to Georgia. They fought with them. Remember?
Georgians acnn't find even 10 abkhasians who may fight on thier side.
It's ridiculous to fight Islamic separatism in Chechnya and throughout North Caucasus while supporting another kind of separatism in the neighboring country. ==
Different situation. Russia found quite the number of chechens who fight vakhabit islamists there. It is not a fight about separatism anymore. It is fight about secular chechens vs islamist chechen. Like in Iraq.
However, internationally recognized borders must be respected no matter how they came to be.==
No matter that Abkhazia was given to Georgia by Stalin? You respect Stalin' installed borders?
“peacekeeping forces”!?? “Peacekeeping” farce is more like it! It looks like Abkhazians started to learn from sad Yugoslavian experience
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/
Ehhh? Impose, no, as George Washington cautioned about bringing democracy at the end of a bayonet, however, that doesn't mean we should not lead by example or through soft prompting....this however has nothing to do with dealing with such groups as the Nazis, etc, before you try to make that analogy.
Baseyov? The same who commanded Gudayov and who's 500+ Chechens, under Georgian pay, attacked Abhazia in 2000? Oh, but hay, they openned up by massacring 14 civilians in an Armenian village in Abhazia...but those Armenians aren't Christian either according to you, so no sweat there.
As for the Chechens, sure, they can have their little mountain state in the far south, which is their historic lands....of course any expensionist moves would be answered by war...oh just like 1999, when the Chechens, independent for 3 years, invaded Daghistan....As opposed to the Abhaz who after freeing their land and stopping the Georgian induced genocide have never invaded the Georgians but instead have themselves been attacked for 12 years.
But I don't expect the likes of you or your moral equivalest Lukasz (who also roots for the Balkan muslims) to see the difference....to many details, to complex and the victims are friends of the Russians so in your minds they deserved the rape.
Yes, like the Latvian Rifles who personally worked as Lenin's body guards and made sure the communists held Petrograd. They, these Balts, were considered one of the cornor stones of the Communist Revolution.
You are way way off.
Georgians are the najority, so the so called Abkhazian Muslims should resettle - maybe somewhere in Saudi Arabia. Or how about in Poland...
You are way way off.
Georgians are the majority, so the so called Abkhazian Muslims should resettle - maybe somewhere in Saudi Arabia. Or how about in Poland...
I said "before the 1917 Revolution". The communist tyranny was imposed both on Russians and on Baltia by the Communists from various ethnic groups. Balts, especially Latvians played the crucial role in Bolshevik victory. Don't you know it?
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No he doesn't and even if you tell him he is do narrowly educated that he won't agree.
Bravo for reminding these narrowly educated anti Russians about the differences between Russians and Communists. The soviet commies were made up of many ethnicities including Americans, Poles, Baltics, Jews, etc.
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?? Only part of Abkhazians are Muslims. But they will themselves decide where they want to live, this is totally not my business. I’m not Kremlin strategist to support ethnic cleansing after all…
So many lies in one post, you are a master of this part of the human nature I suppose. I wont discuss with you on similar very low level...
Well, what low level will you discuss it at. Just trying to descend to a level you can understand.
As for lies, the only one with lies and an agenda is you. The one topic agenda.
The point is this, these entities, like Lukasz are supporting the Stalinist policies of the 1920s, when Stalin forcefully annexed Abkhazia to Georgia and began a forced colonization of the area that turned the majority Abkhaz into a minority in their own homeland. The Georgians then tried to wipe them out when the Abkhaz started aggitating for autonomy in 1992, but instead the Georgians lost and Abkhazia instead got independence.
The only reason these entities are supporting Stalin and genocide is because they hate Russians even more and Russians backed up the Abkhaz.
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