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To: wizardoz
What kind of idiot tries to abduct children that he knows for a fact know martial arts???

Well, first they were only blue belts, and second, it doesn't matter how well trained a kid is -- she is NEVER going to be able to overpower a healthy male adult. The size difference is just too much, and going to class once or twice a week for a few years doesn't exactly make a kid Steven Segal. There's a whole lot of difference between karate class and a real life or death self defense situation.

My 7-year old takes martial arts. They learn the forms and do all the basic martial arts stuff, but the instructors always stress that their most important weapon is their mouth -- as in screaming at the top of your lungs: "Please let me go I don't like that." The idea is that the best defense for a kid is to make a scene, make a lot of noise to attract the attention of other adults, and to try to run away as soon as possible.

There are some high level belts in my daughter's class, and I seriously doubt that any one of them could overpower the instructor.

18 posted on 10/04/2005 6:19:19 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake But Accurate)
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To: Maceman
There are some high level belts in my daughter's class, and I seriously doubt that any one of them could overpower the instructor.

I'm a blackbelt, 5'11, and 210, and there's no way I could whip my instructor. Not going to happen. We had a guy in our classes that tried out for the olympics once and even he couldn't defeat our instructor.

When I started sparring a lot I was surprised to learn that the best advantage to have is neither strength nor speed. Both are good, but the best thing to have on your side is reach. If you're tall, and your opponent is short, it is so much easier on you. There's a guy in our class that is higher rank than me, definitely faster than me, and maybe a little bit stronger, but I can whoop him 8 out of 10 times because he's only 5'6'. My instructor is impossible because he's 6'1', very tough, and fast. And he stands in this odd way that leaves you no target to attack but allows him to attack you.
27 posted on 10/04/2005 6:27:28 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Maceman
and going to class once or twice a week for a few years doesn't exactly make a kid Steven Segal.

No, you need the poneytail for that.

28 posted on 10/04/2005 6:27:44 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Maceman

"second, it doesn't matter how well trained a kid is -- she is NEVER going to be able to overpower a healthy male adult."

That's true, but she can cause him some discouragement while daddy comes in from next door.

I wouldn't like to get kicked in the nose by even a 10-year-old girl, if I had my druthers.


30 posted on 10/04/2005 6:30:14 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Maceman
"Please let me go I don't like that."

They teach them to be polite? I'd teach the kids to yell "Get the F*** away from me!!"

Nothing brings adults running faster than kids yelling obscenities!

53 posted on 10/04/2005 6:52:01 AM PDT by WIladyconservative (Save us from future Freepathons - set up a monthly donation!)
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To: Maceman
Our daughter took a RAD (Rape Aggressive Defense) class with some local police officers a few weeks ago. At the end of the classes, the cops dressed in thick padding and made the girls attack them. They told them that this was the only time in their lives they could beat up a cop and not get in trouble! ;o)

The girls actually beat the snot out of them, I was very proud of our daughter, and it was great to watch. Now they harbor no illusions that they would ever be able to completely overpower an attacker, but they learned enough to at least slow someone down, or disable him so that they could get away and attract some attention.

The most important thing they learned, though, was to always be aware of where you are so that you don't put yourself in a dangerous situation. Granted, that's not always possible, but it gives them better odds.

67 posted on 10/04/2005 7:20:10 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Maceman
Well, first they were only blue belts, and second, it doesn't matter how well trained a kid is -- she is NEVER going to be able to overpower a healthy male adult.

Maybe, maybe not. I speak from experience because my 16 year old daughter has a third degree black belt in Tang Soo Do and my 13 year old son has a second degree black belt in the same dicipline. At age 10, they could not overpower a healthy male. The goal, however, is not to "overpower," but to defend, evade, and escape. The element of surprise, the sudden burst of energy, the speed, and the piercing yells, may very well prove sufficient to accomplish those goals against a helathy male, depending upon their level of martial arts training.

78 posted on 10/04/2005 7:38:07 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Maceman
You're very wrong. A child is never going to win against an adult in a contest of strength, but there are myriad examples of children, small women, the elderly, etc etc, hurting larger, stronger opponents enough to make good their escape.

You don't have to be able to win a prolonged bout with an attacker to save your life. Being able to fight long enough to make a lot of noise and attract help can save your life. Being able to stun an opponent long enough to run to safety can save your life. Dealing damage to a soft spot like the eye can save your life. etc etc.

In my own experience, a crippling leg blow can give you all the distance you need from a 6'6" 300 pound monster. No way I could go toe to toe with the guy, but no way was he following me across the parking lot with his knee blown out.

97 posted on 11/02/2005 7:42:33 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Maceman

Amen. 90% of men will overpower 90% of women physically, in addition to pwning them in just about every intellectual feat. It's a harsh reality.


103 posted on 11/02/2005 8:53:42 PM PST by Seamoth
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