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Tour Boat Overturns in Adirondack NY Lake; Numerous Fatalities Reported
Fox News ^ | October 2, 2005 | Fox News

Posted on 10/02/2005 1:59:20 PM PDT by CedarDave

Fox News reporting a tour boat named the "Ethan Allen" has overturned in a lake in northern New York state. 46-50 persons were on board and rescues are on going. Searching for an AP link...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: grandjury; lakegeorge; rescue
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To: CedarDave

Now 21 dead of 47, including the captian (who is OK)


121 posted on 10/02/2005 3:32:14 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: RightWhale
Where were the life-vests?

EXACTY!!!! This is just a nonsense accident. In our day and age, to have that many seniors on a boat WITHOUT every single one WEARING a ZIPPED life vest is INSANE!!!!

122 posted on 10/02/2005 3:47:29 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: xcamel

Very sad. Something similar to this happened in Spain about a year ago - a lake cruise with a group of elderly people that capsized, killing about 15 of them. I think it was later found that poor maintenance and overcrowding were at fault.


123 posted on 10/02/2005 3:47:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: pollywog

I'd be surprised if you've EVER seen life vests worn by anyone on any tour boat.


124 posted on 10/02/2005 3:48:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: xcamel
Per WTEN (Channel 10), all of the passengers are Canadian-- tour group of senior citizens.

Also, the ship logs of the Mohican and the Mini HaHa confirm that NEITHER of these two large ships were anywhere near the Ethan Allen.

125 posted on 10/02/2005 3:49:44 PM PDT by NYS_Eric
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'd be surprised if you've EVER seen life vests worn by anyone on any tour boat.

Never have seen a tour boat myself.( ok call me sheltered!!!!) All I am saying is that in our advanced age of " seat belts"" smoke alarms" and all kinds of saftey precautions, to send a group of 40 seniors out on a lake without some pre-thought of a possible accident such as occured is irresponsible." A ounce of prevention is worth LIVES"......

Reminds me of Mayor Nagin and the school buses , frankly!!!

126 posted on 10/02/2005 3:52:36 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog

Well, I've spent a lot of time on the water, and I'll tell you, it just isn't done. Ever. Yes, we are nanny-state in a lot of ways, but not this one, yet.

Life vests are available, but never worn on any commercial tour boat, nor are they often worn on any motorized pleasure boat. It's a comfort issue, mostly.... they aren't comfortable to wear. In all our pleasure boating in smaller craft than this one, we never wore a life vest except in our small dingy, and in our larger boat only in one particular bad storm.


127 posted on 10/02/2005 3:56:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Sad. The headline wouldn't be " 21 dead " if they had of taken that extra precaution. I still say prepare, PREPARE, PREPARE.......ok, call me a " scared cat"*Grin*


128 posted on 10/02/2005 3:59:00 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: livius
A) All the life vests were in place (on the ceiling) and within reach.

B) they're still investigating the report of a "large speed boat" crossing too close and upsetting the tour boat by wake.

C) it now appears the folks were all from MICHIGAN - but the tour was booked though a Canadian tour group.

129 posted on 10/02/2005 3:59:11 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: pollywog

If this boat was glassed in and overturned, people would have found it impossible to swim out of it with a life vest on. You simply can't swim down with a life vest on... and it'd be difficult to find the exit regardless. So it may be a moot point. But don't let practical application stop you from nanny-stating more rules about things you've never done! People do it all the time :~D


130 posted on 10/02/2005 4:01:46 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: andyandval

My husband and I were doing a town-wide garage/collectibles show in Warrensburg, NY over the weekend and today, Sunday, everyone was wondering what was happening as numerous ambulances were going by. Finally, someone told us that a boat with 50 to 60 people had capsized. No one could figure out what happened as the day was beautiful with no wind. Warrensburg is in the Adirondack Mountains.


131 posted on 10/02/2005 4:05:06 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: pollywog
Maybe they should have been wearing seat belts and helmets too? I wonder if the pilot was smoking?
132 posted on 10/02/2005 4:07:34 PM PDT by one more state
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To: TXnMA

Saw that about the glass enclosed boat.

That's awful.


133 posted on 10/02/2005 4:09:35 PM PDT by milford421
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To: pollywog
Maybe we should wait to get more information? Our news agencies including Fox aren't quite up to par on any story. Give them about a month to get to the truth.
134 posted on 10/02/2005 4:11:03 PM PDT by one more state
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To: RightWhale
The thing is that seasoned citizens are usually able to swim or at least float on their own. They might not be fast anymore, but they know how to tread water and don't usually panic.

It's a catch 22 situation. Treading water/swimming expends energy and increases the loss of body heat which speeds up hypothermia. Having a life vest on or something that floats and clinging to it and other people is the best way to preserve body heat.

Of course the shock of the cold water would be enough to raise certain folks BP and heart rate to cardiac arrest levles.

God bless them all.

135 posted on 10/02/2005 4:14:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Disbar Ronnie Earl for running an extortion racket out of the DA's office)
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To: milford421

Not fully glass enclosed - just the first 3 panels on each side when the wheather gets cooler.


136 posted on 10/02/2005 4:14:42 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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137 posted on 10/02/2005 4:21:20 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: Pharmboy

Oh Boy.. right in fron of the "Sagging More"


138 posted on 10/02/2005 4:23:48 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: xcamel

Did a family weekend at The Sagamore about 5 years ago...it's still a nice place in a beautiful setting.


139 posted on 10/02/2005 4:27:27 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: Shermy

Intersting website. It not only caters to weddings/receptions/bar mitzvahs, civil unions too.


140 posted on 10/02/2005 4:39:28 PM PDT by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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