[kinsman redeemer]

THE Rose, by any other name...

[Semper Paratus]

I thought it would be Karl Rove.

[Borges]

Supporters of intelligent design argue the concept is not religious because the designer is never identified.

???

[mlc9852]

Oh, no! Surely he didn't say "God did it"! The death knell for ID! We can't have children hearing "God" in school!

[JasonSC]

an expert for the plaintiffs pointed to examples where its supporters have identified the designer, and the designer is God.

This has been obvious from the beginning of the ID movement. It's nothing but a pathetic subterfuge to insert religion into science classes.

[SF Republican]

I like the cartoon (Gary Larson?) where two scientist are at a blackboard with a giant equation written on it explaining the creation; right in the middle of the equation is the comment: "and then something happens here" and then the equation goes on. I think it is the perfect example of scientist not accepting God but allowing for him in their studies.

[Cicero]

It's really not unreasonable to look around the universe and say that it has a beauty and an order that argues intelligent design, and the that the most likely designer is God.

That last step is, perhaps, not scientific, any more than it is scientific to say that God does NOT exist and everything arose by chance. But it's a reasonable theory or hypothesis or conjecture from the evidence.

What intelligent design suggests is that the enormous and growing complexity that we find in nature cannot logically or statistically be accounted for by pure chance. The odds are astronomically against it. Who the designer(s) might be is another matter, but it must be said that God is a likelier explanation than Little Green Men. After all, where did the LGM come from?

[stuartcr]

'theistic realism'???

[inquest]

Robert Pennock, a Michigan State University professor of the philosophy of science, pointed to a reproduction shown in court of writing by Phillip Johnson, a law professor at the University of California-Berkeley and author of books including “Darwin on Trial” and “Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds.” Johnson, known as the father of the intelligent design movement, wrote of “theistic realism.” “This means that we affirm that God is objectively real as Creator, and that this reality of God is tangibly recorded in evidence accessible to science, particularly in biology,” the writing stated.

So in other words, he found an ID advocate who believes that the theory bolsters his belief in God. So does that mean if we can find a Darwinism advocate who believes that the theory of evolution bolsters his atheist worldview, we can claim Darwinism is a religion?

[Allen In Texas Hill Country]

As much as I feel comfortable with religion in moderation in most all public aspects, gummint included, I don't with ID in school. It is about teaching God and the bible in a school classroom. It is! And that belongs in a church.

And my question never has been answered. If ID were to be and this world were created by a higher being (which I could care less if true) are we suppose to bow down and offer allegiance to this creator?

I ask because again, if this world was created by a certain individual then it is most certainly true that that creator was created by another and much higher authority. And maybe we had better pay homage, tithes and kow tow to biggest man on the block, not to the one that created this ole measly universe.

But the Bible does say the creator of THIS world. Its so confusing, where do I put all my marbles?

So I ask, which one?

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Supporters of intelligent design argue the concept is not religious because the designer is never identified. But this morning, in the third day of testimony in a federal court case challenging the Dover school district’s inclusion of intelligent design in biology class, an expert for the plaintiffs pointed to examples where its supporters have identified the dDesigner, and the dDesigner is God.

That's better.

[radiohead]

I have a question - Does anyone know when or why intellegent design became such a hot topic? I've generally avoided these threads, but the topic came up in conversation and I didn't know the answer.

Since intelligent design is a part of many religions, it doesn't make sense that only recently (past 5-7 years or so?) has it created such a stir. Does it have to do w/teaching it in schools? And if so, being that it is a part of many religions, why would this become an issue only now? Wouldn't we have had this discussion years ago?

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.

[Zeroisanumber]

There is only one true designer!

ARRRRRRR!!

[TheForceOfOne]

Until science can explain the impossibility of creating something from nothing without any outside interference in order to even have a Big Bang theory, then the possibility of a high being or unknown entity has to be acceptable. People put faith in God just as people put faith in science and both should be accepted in theory.

[Chena]

If the purpose of education is to "educate", then it would be remiss to not include I.D. I'm not saying they should "Bible thump", but to leave out the other side of the "equation" would be a disservice to all students. One has to ask oneself, what are "they" afraid of? Are they afraid that someone might believe in I.D.? Why in the world would a liberal thinker, or anyone for that matter, wish to ban, or censor, ANY information that is a historical part of our country, and the world.

[editor-surveyor]

This is great! we've got the evo gang spinning like headless chickens; they'll self distruct presently.

[Rocky]

There are some proponents of Intelligent Design who are not Christians, and even one or two who are agnostic. Of course ID has supporters in Christian circles, but that does not invalidate the theory.

The attacks against ID on the basis that many of its proponents are Christians is just ad hominem, pure and simple.

[plain talk]

I'm a witness too. God is the intelligent designer and the gateway to God is Jesus Christ.

[incredulous joe]

"He will be cross-examined after a morning break"

...and bunred at the stake by noon.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Witness: intelligent design has identified God as designer

The term 'No shit, Sherlock!' springs to mind......