Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bush seeks to federalize emergencies
Washington Times ^ | 9/27/05 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 09/27/2005 8:19:23 AM PDT by Crackingham

President Bush yesterday sought to federalize hurricane-relief efforts, removing governors from the decision-making process.

"It wouldn't be necessary to get a request from the governor or take other action," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said yesterday.

"This would be," he added, "more of an automatic trigger."

Mr. McClellan was referring to a new, direct line of authority that would allow the president to place the Pentagon in charge of responding to natural disasters, terrorist attacks and outbreaks of disease.

"It may require change of law," Mr. Bush said yesterday. "It's very important for us as we look at the lessons of Katrina to think about other scenarios that might require a well-planned, significant federal response -- right off the bat -- to provide stability."

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) accused Mr. Bush of attempting a power grab in the wake of fierce criticism that he responded too slowly to Hurricane Katrina a month ago.

"Using the military in domestic law enforcement is generally a very bad idea," said Timothy Edgar, national security policy counsel for the ACLU. "I'm afraid that it will have unforeseen consequences for civil liberties."

SNIP

But stabilizing a crisis might require federal troops to arrest looters and perform other law-enforcement duties, which would violate the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The law was passed in the wake of the Civil War and Reconstruction to prevent the use of federal troops from policing elections in former Confederate states.

The White House wants Congress to consider amending Posse Comitatus in order to grant the Pentagon greater powers.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; possecomitatus; powergrab; sammon; term2
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-92 next last
To: bethtopaz; OldFriend; BradMorris64

Please accept my apologies. This topic makes me see red.


61 posted on 09/27/2005 9:59:03 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: sydbas

The trouble with Bush wagering state's rights on the political cardtable is Dems can and will call the President's bluff, let him and the Republican majority pass it so the President would get the onus dumped back in his lap and IIRC, Bush owns no pen of veto. The Dems then will say, "See! we told you Repubs are no conservatives of Constitutional principles!"

I'd rather see the incompetent Blanco and Nagin fly into a frenzy and self-destruct than to forever lose states' authority to place assets where they're most needed. Blanco and Nagin's fall seems such a small sacrifice for Constitutional principle.


62 posted on 09/27/2005 10:23:25 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: freeeee
Apology accepted. I understand your concern, also. It all comes back to we the people. We have to continually make our voices heard to the right people - that being our representatives. I live in California, so guess who mine are? Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi. Talk about discouraging. I can't even stand to watch those witches on t.v. Have to turn it off every-time they're on.

I can't even imagine the weight on Bush's shoulders right now. And I still can't understand why the Fed is at fault with Katrina. It seems to me that the MSM just says something over and over again until it is just assumed to be true. So frustrating. If he was slow, then why wasn't MS and AK whining and crying? And FL? It's so obvious to most everyone that the local officials totally S*^Wed up in this situation.

I think we're all a little frustrated right now as we see the continuous barrage of criticism thrown at Bush and for things the DEMS and Clinton did they get a total pass.

Thanks again!
63 posted on 09/27/2005 10:24:13 AM PDT by bethtopaz (Dem stars spend more and more time jumping thru smaller hoops of the kooky left fringe. M.Steyn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: Crackingham

everyone just keep telling yourselves "he is a conservative, he is a conservative"....


64 posted on 09/27/2005 10:25:27 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WilliamWallace1999
No, this is him begging for forgiveness for not acting the way the MSM wanted him to act. He needs to be touting federalism and maybe talking about better planning *with* states if they desire it, not yet another federal power grab and bureaucratic nightmare by this president..

At best the MSM is going to say too little too late, and at worst they will say this proves Bush was not ready for a natural disaster..

65 posted on 09/27/2005 10:29:05 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: freeeee
Enjoying Brown setting the record straight!

People elect losers and they pay a terrible price.

NJ is a prime example. McGreevy tried to put his gay lover as liaison to homeland security.

The man was not a citizen and couldn't even get security clearance.

Not a word from anyone in the know.....and my guess is that another dem crony will buy the governor's seat and we'll be in as much jeopardy as ever.

66 posted on 09/27/2005 10:33:29 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: sydbas
"Essentially he is saying that OK I took a big hit for Katrina so I am going to make sure that next time I don't have to deal with the likes of Nagin and Blanco."

Essentially he is saying that OK I took a big hit for Katrina so I am going to expand the powers of the federal government to fix a press problem..

There I fixed it for you..

67 posted on 09/27/2005 10:33:30 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: azhenfud
You make a good point and as I stated I don't think it's a good idea to turn state's rights and responsibilites over to the Feds. I do think that President Bush gambled on CFR thinking first it wouldn't make it to his desk and then that SCOTUS would strike it down but he was wrong on both counts.

How this all plays out we'll just have to see but I do repeat my feeling that because of all of the crap he's taken I don't blame President Bush for trying this. Remember the dems basically distrust the military so I'm not sure they would take the chance of calling President Bush's bluff on this one.

68 posted on 09/27/2005 10:35:20 AM PDT by sydbas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: Crackingham

Big Mistake.


69 posted on 09/27/2005 10:36:10 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: azhenfud

Look around. That's gone too. Watching Faux News this morning (don't ask me why) and the three talking heads were literally giddy for us to all call our respective state attorney generals and report price gouging. So much for the free market, so much for posse comitatus. But remember keep voting Republican because...why is it I should keep voting Republican again? I keep forgetting..


70 posted on 09/27/2005 10:37:41 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: billbears
But.... we won back the Senate....< said while sitting singed in an ash heap >
71 posted on 09/27/2005 10:45:09 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: billbears
Top five reasons Conservatives should abandon their principles and blindly vote republican

5) What are you going to throw your vote away?

4) Those pictures of 'W' clearing brush really bring back memories of Reagan even if his policies don't

3) Tax cuts, after all its not like Conservatives should be more concerned with the expansion of the federal government than the tax rate right?

2) Because some day when the Republicans have a super majority *THEN* they will start to push a conservative agenda

1) Of course, because Democrats are worse, so vote for the lesser of two evils..
72 posted on 09/27/2005 10:48:03 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Crackingham

Bad idea, the ACLU is right on with this one...Federal 'troops' etc.. should only come at the request of a governor.


73 posted on 09/27/2005 10:58:29 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Crackingham

Bad idea, and not at all how our federal system is supposed to work.


74 posted on 09/27/2005 11:00:41 AM PDT by B Knotts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sydbas
"Remember the dems basically distrust the military so I'm not sure they would take the chance of calling President Bush's bluff on this one."

Maybe so, maybe not. If I were calling the dem's shots, I'd let the President have his Military and afterwards play up the federal militarization of the states just to secure wavering dems who "basically distrust the military" and teetering Conservatives who feel the President has again abandoned the Constitutional limitations of the federal government. Two groups then would've been crossed, those who distrust the military AND those who fear federal powers have again expanded beyond a safe boundary - not a good ploy, IMO.

75 posted on 09/27/2005 11:04:10 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

BTTT!


76 posted on 09/27/2005 12:05:15 PM PDT by afnamvet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: bethtopaz
I'm thinking it's a huge poker play by President Bush.

That's the same type nonsense that gave us Campaign Finance Reform, we all knew the SC would knock it down. Now we hear this won't pass congress. Yea, right.

77 posted on 09/27/2005 12:13:49 PM PDT by krshnbrn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3
Essentially he is saying that OK I took a big hit for Katrina so I am going to expand the powers of the federal government to fix a press problem.

Essentially he is saying that OK I took a big hit for Katrina so I am going to expand the powers of the federal government to make up for my lack of being able to get the truth out over biased media.

Needed just a bit more tweaking. Let's face it, if Bush were the Great Communicator this would not have happened. Heck even if he was the "Mediocre Communicator" it wouldn't have happened.

78 posted on 09/27/2005 12:28:43 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: Crackingham; All

As conservative we Should be very afraid about a plan like this. We all have the government of LA to thank for federal Government having a shot at this kind of power. Come to think of it maybe we should have just hung on to KING George in the first place. Why fight and die for freedom only to give it all back in the end so that we can FEEL a little sense of security.

Maybe just Maybe...We should make sure the plans of our state and local governments are in order instead.

We all know they have the capability to do a far better job then the federal government can do on there best day. Given this kind of power that will all be out the window. You will have signed sealed and delivered you fate over to them.

You will have NO CONTROL. Do as you are told or else!!!!


79 posted on 09/27/2005 1:00:07 PM PDT by Revel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

"Damned if he do, damned if he don't. What a lousy Catch 22 the Pres is stuck in."

The is so much more importaint than the presidents problems.
Just because the MSM has created this perception is not a reason to give up the control of your state.

In a way you would really be surrending to the MSM among others if you allowed this.


80 posted on 09/27/2005 1:02:33 PM PDT by Revel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-92 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson