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Men's Temper Tantrums That Bother Women May Be Sex Discrimination (9th Circuit Strikes Again)
ASAP Newsletter ^ | September 2005 | Margaret Hart Edwards

Posted on 09/23/2005 12:38:17 PM PDT by Help!

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To: VA_Gentleman
What if a woman yells at a man in the workplace? Is that sexual discrimination?

Against a MAN? Please. Joyous release of the "inner bitch" by yelling is a celebration of social justice, a demonstration and validation of the self-esteem that is released with feminist empowerment, a primal bitch-slap to the disgusting male oppressor, blah blah blah, etc.

201 posted on 09/23/2005 5:43:49 PM PDT by TChad
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To: mdmathis6

Thank you!

Unfortunately, lots of people on this thread seem to think the most paramount thing in the workplace is to be "treated nicely." When you point that out, they immediately leap to the conclusion that you are in favor of "abusive" bosses!

A majority of leaders with passion, vision and fire in the belly (to name just three cliches) are very often major pains in the ass. Deal with it. Further, I think every person should have at least one "unforgettable" boss, if only to have someone to compare all the rest of them to.


202 posted on 09/23/2005 5:56:54 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: Help!

So this isn't a joke article from the Onion eh? Good grief, how stupid is this?


203 posted on 09/23/2005 5:59:52 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: EGPWS

Can you just believe this ka-ka??? I am SO sorry. What a load of ... bologna. My brother-in-law hired a guy, in construction, who had been working with a bunch of women, as the head. He said, "PLEASE hire me. I cannot stand the tears anymore." hahahah. I am ashamed of my fairer sex sometimes.

Plus, what about when the women stamp their little feet and shriek?? I bet that doesn't count, does it? That's just them 'getting their feelings out.' (I told my son's psychologist -- 'we believe in him stuffing his feelings.' haha).


204 posted on 09/23/2005 6:06:34 PM PDT by bboop (Facts are your friend.)
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To: Help!

I haven't read all of this thread. I don't think behavior such as that described in the OP is sexual descrimination, but I can tell you I would not accept such behavior from a superior or anyone else for that matter. I can tell you that I will not be yelled at by anyone. If a boss has a problem with my work there are acceptable ways to let me know and yelling at the top of your voice isn't one of them. I have been dressed down on a few occasions and it can be done without yelling. And I'll tell you, the first time he lunged across a table at me would be the last. I WILL stand up for myself and I will NOT put up with such behavior. It may be my last day on the job, but before I go out he would most definitely know what I though of his behavior.

I won't take that behavior from anyone. Period.


205 posted on 09/23/2005 6:17:44 PM PDT by Gardener
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To: Help!

And the women at my company wonder why we men never talk to them, look them in the eye, go to lunch with them, etc.

Not worth losing your job.


206 posted on 09/23/2005 6:30:12 PM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Gravity is only a theory - Teach the controversy)
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To: TChad

you forgot: "...patriarchal penile rapist hegemony".


207 posted on 09/23/2005 6:35:39 PM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Gravity is only a theory - Teach the controversy)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

"Only if he cries and/or wets his pants."

I could do that. How much do I get?


208 posted on 09/23/2005 6:59:08 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Exton1

"barefoot"

Hey! I *like* sexy shoes on a woman.


209 posted on 09/23/2005 7:00:24 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Virginia Queen

"Does this mean that when womaen PMS men can sue for discrimination?"

What if a woman yells at a man out of the frustration of having a bad hair day, is that discrimination?


210 posted on 09/23/2005 7:03:19 PM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: freespirited

"The reasonable woman standard is news to me. I didn't know the Constitution gave one sex preference over another"

Well, the English common law "reasonable man" standard handed down for hundreds of years treated men and women equally. That's clearly discriminatory.


211 posted on 09/23/2005 7:03:38 PM PDT by dsc
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To: freepatriot32

A long, long time ago, when the Earth and I were both young, I was one of the top fencers in the US.

It seems indicative of *something* to me that, well before I moved into the top hundred men, I was a lot better than the top five women. Enough better that the odds of my losing a bout to one of them were nil, which was not the case with any man in the top 200 or so.


212 posted on 09/23/2005 7:19:43 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Arpege92

No, daarlink. It is merely de voman being in touch with her inner self and not keeping streeful feelings locked inside. (lmao)


213 posted on 09/23/2005 7:22:52 PM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Mears

LOL!


214 posted on 09/23/2005 7:24:54 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Captain Rhino
So if you, for instance, say in a firm, level voice at normal speaking volume that "the work is not up to standard and that it will have to be redone to met an important customer deadline" and, in response, she cries, are you then guilty of sex discrimination under the "reasonable woman standard"?

This occured at the NEA (the national teachers union). The teaching profession is predominantly female. I have a feeling that the NEA has a high percentage of women.

How much you want to be that the real reason for this lawsuit is a bunch of feminist women at the NEA wanting to tilt the playing field so that no male executive can ever dare to attempt to discipline a female subordinate? This would mean that only a female exec could be hired to supervise women (thus creating more demand for female execs over the short term, but also a long-term trend towrads outsourcing to places that did not have such an insane legal system)

215 posted on 09/23/2005 7:29:38 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Humidston

I know what you mean about the itchy whacking hand.It's hard to believe that when I was growing up,we all knew to say "Ma'am" and "Sir",and that we were not of the least importance in the "real"(adult) world,in the matter of having any sway or input,I mean. Like my Dad said, he wasn't running a democracy.


216 posted on 09/23/2005 7:30:23 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: FreedomAvatar
you forgot: "...patriarchal penile rapist hegemony".

I wish I could forget the entire feminist lexicon.

217 posted on 09/23/2005 7:30:36 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Gardener
I would not accept such behavior from a superior or anyone else for that matter. I can tell you that I will not be yelled at by anyone. If a boss has a problem with my work there are acceptable ways to let me know and yelling at the top of your voice isn't one of them. I have been dressed down on a few occasions and it can be done without yelling. And I'll tell you, the first time he lunged across a table at me would be the last. I WILL stand up for myself and I will NOT put up with such behavior.

You're exactly right. Someone in authority doesn't need to demean his employees. For a starter these guys should be sent to anger management and learn how to act like a professional. IMO, if someone treated my daughter like that, he would deserve to be sued.

218 posted on 09/23/2005 7:33:49 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: fizziwig
Boy does this hit home. A woman lawyer at work, who yelled at me, filed a formal complaint against me when I had the gall to stand up to her....this occurred twice. She was the aggressor in both instances.

I had a similar experience. Aggressive women tend to express their aggression by complaining to anybody who will listen, and making charges right and left. So it results in legal protections being abused by female aggressors, and the meek women being too meek to take advantage of the protections

219 posted on 09/23/2005 7:37:22 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Help!

This silly ruling is completely consistent with previous rulings by the 9th Circuit (and others, unfortunately) that it's not the behavior that counts but the way it is perceived by an approved minority.

They don't usually say that last part out in the open, but that IS the standard.


220 posted on 09/23/2005 7:40:19 PM PDT by irv
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