Posted on 09/22/2005 5:48:16 PM PDT by wagglebee
Um fornication when one is married is adultry. I know what the scripture means, do you?
"so what do you say to the child who IS born out of wedlock? that they are "less than" worthy of societal integration because of a bad decision their mother made? Because thats what I hear every time I hear the word bastard...and how children born out of wedlock were automatically shunted out of the 'normal' flow of societal movement...is this what you think we shoudl return to?"
It's late, so I'm just going to pretend you're drunk or you have hurricane jitters.
"so what do you say to the child who IS born out of wedlock?"
Sorry your parents weren't married when you were born, I'd say. I hope you've found a father-figure who fills that role in just nicely for you. Or maybe even your biological father checks in on you now and then. Please remember: Others chose your status, not you. You are no less worthy, in any way, than any person you come across, in your entire life.
"that they are "less than" worthy of societal integration because of a bad decision their mother made?"
You're speaking from a perspective that is at least 35 years old, maybe older. First of all, if the mother decided to have the kid, that's a good decision. If you're talking about her behavior that led to her pregnancy, it was actually a minimum of two bad decisions, followed no doubt by countless others.
"Because thats what I hear every time I hear the word bastard..."
The word bastard was originally a legal term. It's an ugly word, I'll grant you, but I did not coin it.
"and how children born out of wedlock were automatically shunted out of the 'normal' flow of societal movement..."
Nobody's shunted anywhere, least of all from the normal flow of societal movement. My whole point was: They're NOT shunted anywhere. Most of society, per the media and prevailing stupidity, see an unmarried woman with a child as just another lifestyle choice--as valid as the one with two parents, two mommies, etc. It's like the view on marriage they're trying to sell us: man, woman; man, man; woman, woman; squirrel...hammer.
"is this what you think we shoudl return to?""
I think we should return to careful reading of people's posts before we fire off assinine responses like yours.
You have really cheesed me off. I suspect that you shot off because you are somehow close to this situation of a child born out of wedlock, in one way or another.
This usually goes like this: We fire back several responses, each escalating the fire, until we flame out and end up apologizing, or else put one another on our FR enemies for life list.
Let's save some time and energy. I apologize for any and all insults you may have perceived. I know I must have meant them in the moment, but now they seem too harsh. I can't take them back, as I already said them. But part of me--and not necessarily a small part--wishes that I had just gone to bed.
Stay safe from big weather.
Love you, man (but not in the homo way).
Ever here the one --
Guy wakes up with a splitting hang-over, looks over on the nighstand and finds a note that reads: Darling, I just popped out to get you oranges for fresh squeezed o.j., but in the meantime, take these aspirin and there are eggs in the kitchen, just the way you like them. Also, don't worry about picking up the dry cleaning or watching the kids today. I love you!!!!!"
He staggers out and sees one of his kids and asked what happened. The kid says, "You came home drunk last night, plowed into the back of the garage and totalled all of grandma's crystal and killed the dog. Then went into the livingroom, threw up, and crashed into the antique tea cart smashing all those little cups. Then you went upstairs, threw up again and passed out in the hall. Then when mom tried to take your pants off, you started shouting, "Lady, don't, I'm married. Please."
A Biblically informed opinion. We fried the Rosenbergs for handing atomic secrets over to the Reds. Adultery is treason against a social unit vastly more important than "this republic, for which is stands." The Rosenberg's capital offense was a trivial treason by comparison.
Never heard it, but it's a good one! ;-)
Many Christian men that I know will never ever let themselves be left alone with a woman who is by herself. I believe that Billy Graham wrote some common sense things about this once but I doubt I can lay my fingers on it quickly.
Just when I thought this thread had gone as far over the top as it could.
It's only through being exposed to such opportunities that you find out who you are...
Well, lets not understate it and lets not overstate it, either. I think being mindful that temptation is real and that it has a lot to do with opportunity, just cut down on the opportunity.
It's hard because no matter what marital status is, pleasant (nonsexual) interaction with someone you find sexually pleasing is nice. Just be mindful of it, and proceed wisely.
I agree. That being said, when someone says 'trust me,' they really should be saying 'trust me not to put myself in that circumstance.'
The fact that 'trust me' is often said by people willingly walking into that kind of circumstance undermines the protest just a bit.
Adultery is bad business, but I don't understand that Taliban mentality when it pops up on FR. There is nothing particularly 'conservative' about it. Just weird. I agree with you - that is way over the top.
Yeah, and it's only by putting a bullet through one's head that one can quickly find out what's on the other side. We already know what we are (weak sinners with a taste for flesh) - the rules God put in place are there to protect us and when one goes outside the rules, one is exposed to all the dangers.
"We already know what we are (weak sinners with a taste for flesh)"
Speak for yourself please. Not everyone has the same weaknesses.
Still it's interesting. Most people walk around thinking they're one type of guy and are shocked to find out they're another guy altogether. Or, they're so fearful of temptation that it makes me wonder what sordid little scenarios they have playing in their heads.
One more question: Where does God state exactly that a married man shouldn't be alone with a woman who isn't his wife?
I agree with you. For example, for many years I thought I was a nice guy who liked women for who they were as a person, not for base physical qualities.
Then I woke up one day & realized I was full of it. ;-)
You really think everyone is a weak sinner with a taste for flesh?
And I thought I was a cynic!
I'd be interested in hearing it...
My poison isn't flesh, its food and wine. LOL. Maybe I shouldn't be left alone with a refrigerator full of food and cellar full of wine.
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