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Discovering Poverty (Again) (due to illegal immigration)
Washington Post ^ | September 21, 2005 | Robert J. Samuelson

Posted on 09/22/2005 3:09:56 PM PDT by dennisw

Edited on 09/22/2005 4:17:39 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Given these trends, the overall poverty rate should be drifting down. It isn't. The main reason, as I've written before, is immigration. We have uncontrolled entry of poor, unskilled workers across our southern border. Although many succeed, many don't, and many poor Latino immigrants have children, who are also poor. In 2004, 25 percent of the poverty population was Hispanic, up from 12 percent in 1980. Over this period, Hispanics represented almost three-quarters of the increase in the poverty population.


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1 posted on 09/22/2005 3:09:57 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

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2 posted on 09/22/2005 3:10:57 PM PDT by dennisw (If you can serve a cup of tea right, you can do anything - Gurdjieff)
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To: dennisw
"Give me your tired, your poor rich, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
I've heard that some countries, and I believe Australia and Ireland are among them, no longer want immigrants who don't have professions and decent bank accounts.
3 posted on 09/22/2005 3:19:33 PM PDT by Translates
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To: dennisw
the overall poverty rate should be drifting down. It isn't. The main reason, as I've written before, is illegal immigration from Mexico. We have uncontrolled entry of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers across our southern border. Although many some succeed, many most don't, and many poor Latino Mexican illegal immigrants have children, who are also poor because little kids can't get jobs.
4 posted on 09/22/2005 3:26:23 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: dennisw

Next time you stay at a hotel, look who is cleaning the rooms, making the beds, and washing the floors. Mostly latinos, legal or not. They work the jobs the American "poor" don't want to work. These jobs aren't good enough, apparently, for the "poor" in our country. So we reward our "poor" for not working by providing unending assistance that requires nothing in return. The latinos want to work and take care of their families. They band together to help one another. They do not depend on government handouts like the "poor" in America. Blaming illegal immigrants for the increase in our poverty level is wrong.


5 posted on 09/22/2005 3:33:28 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: RTINSC
Blaming illegal immigrants for the increase in our poverty level is wrong.

Google search results for "illegal immigrants" +poverty.

6 posted on 09/22/2005 3:37:53 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

"There are app. 12 million illegal immigrants (mostly Mexicans) in America. They make enough money to support themselves and send back to Mexico app. $ 9 billion per year."

"How can America afford giving assistance to app. 40 million welfare recipients and not requiring that they do the work that 12 million illegals do ?"

..........Googled


7 posted on 09/22/2005 3:42:52 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: RTINSC

You are full of BS. In this area and in many others amercian poor work the jobs in hotels and do the yard work and work the farms,there are not illegals or legals to do the work and drive down the wages so americans do them. More would do it in all areas if they could get hired, but employers hire the illegals who will work for less under the table. This crap about doing the jobs americans won't do doesn't fly anymore, it simply isn't true.


8 posted on 09/22/2005 3:58:01 PM PDT by calex59
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To: RTINSC

If they want "work" so bad then why are we spending billions after billions in feeding, housing and medicating them? Take some time to study this problem and you'll see that many work for wages that cannot meet living expenses in this country.....that's why so many employers gleefully hire them because they know these new employees can be paid substandard $ and the taxpayers are forced to subsidize the rest of the living expenses......and these same employers now get to EVADE numerous payroll taxes in the meantime......whatta deal, this is the perfect recipe for national suicide and it's progressing very nicely.


9 posted on 09/22/2005 3:59:25 PM PDT by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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To: RTINSC

Illegal aliens do indeed take jobs which Americans want. They now make up the majority of fast food workers. Those are the jobs teenagers take to learn job skills. Non English speakers stink at fast food.


10 posted on 09/22/2005 4:05:39 PM PDT by after dark
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To: Translates
The way I understand Australia:

A list of "needed vocations" is published & you apply where skilled or

If you're a retiree, ya gotta have $500K (Australian) to emigrate

11 posted on 09/22/2005 4:09:59 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: RTINSC

Can we blame Mexico? They have resources. Why have they produced so many people who are stunted physically and educationally?


12 posted on 09/22/2005 4:22:50 PM PDT by after dark
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To: calex59

I appreciate your concern about what I am full of. You miss the point here. The article is about latinos causing an increase in poverty, not about illegal immigration, which I oppose. The fact is there are millions of jobs that go unfilled in our country. Why are they not filled? Why do we have 40 million people on government assistance who do not fill these jobs? If, as you state, more Americans would do these jobs, why are they not filled? Again, visit any hotel and observe who is cleaning the rooms. I see mostly latino women. It is unlikely a hotel chain or organized business would pay people under the table.


13 posted on 09/22/2005 4:33:53 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

Mrs. Randog and I honeymooned in New Zealand last year. You either have to (a) have a job offer in NZ, or (b) have enough money to start a business before they'll let you immigrate in.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 4:38:51 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: after dark

Entry level food workers at franchises are all paid the same based on minimum wage. Are you suggesting that illegal or legal aliens are paid less than the minimum wage by fast food chains? Does McDonalds pay anyone less than minimum wage? Is that the reason or is it because they cannot find enough people willing to fill these jobs?


15 posted on 09/22/2005 4:40:01 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: randog

New Zealand & Australia's emigration policies = different, from difference in land mass ...BAA !


16 posted on 09/22/2005 4:45:28 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: dennisw



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1472612/posts?page=38#38


Impact from illegal alien labor:

- Costing health care, retirement funding, education and law enforcement, accruing at $30 billion per year.

- USA is foregoing $35 billion a year in income tax collections because of the number of jobs that are now off the books.

- Census Bureau estimates that 8.7 million people are illegally residing in the USA

- Urban Institute estimates a total of 9.3 million are illegally residing in the USA

- Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates a total of 9.2 million are illegally residing in the USA

- The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) stated that the Bureau of Labor could have missed as many as 10% of illegal aliens, since illegal aliens avoid census questionnaires. The CIS suggests the total illegal population is at 10 million or higher (March 2004).

- Employers have incentive to hire undocumented workers off the books.

- Overseas labor markets have forced US employers to find innovative ways to capitalize on sources of cheaper labor to stay competitive.

- Employers place pressure on the government to ignore the flood of cheap labor.

- Services, ie but not limited to: public school enrollment, language proficiency programs, and building permits, that cater to illegal aliens have increased in areas that are considered gateways for immigration.

- The top nine states that account for 50% of illegal aliens are: California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina.

- Sole authority to govern immigration flow is placed on the federal government.

- Responsibility for providing support to legal and illegal immigrants rests with the state and local governments.

- Immigrants send home on average $1,400 to $1,500 per year through money transfers (also called Remittances).

- As per the World Bank in 2002, people sent $133 billion worldwide. Developing countries accounted for $88 billion of that.

- Remittances from the United States to Mexico have tripled to $13 billion between 1995 and 2003.

- As per the Pew Hispanic Center, 39% of surveyed Latino immigrants listed themselves as having legal status to opening bank accounts. This enables cash transfers through private money centers such as Western Union and Money Gram.

- HOWEVER, banks including Citibank, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo Bank began accepting matriculas, which are photographed identity cards for Mexicans living in the US.

- Matriculas are obtainable by any legal or illegal Mexican. Matriculas are widely obtainable through Mexican consulates across the USA.

- To date, around 2.5 million matriculas have been issued, and the number is growing.

- In major illegal alien gateway cities, the influx of immigrants has led to a housing boom unexplained by official population growth.

- In New Jersey, the three gateway towns are New Brunswick, Elizabeth, and Newark.

- Housing permits in these three towns shot up over six-fold, while the rest of the three counties only saw a three-fold increase.

- 80% of these permits were designated for multiple tenent dwellings.

- Official statistics state that illegal aliens in New Jersey have jumped 110% – an estimate that is inconsistent with the housing statistics. Local realtors' stats for multiple tenent housing and school enrollments suggest the number is higher.

- The major illegal alien gateway cities have experienced school enrollments much higher than projections.

- The decrease in the number of births in the past decade had led education administrators to expect decreasing school enrollments as a post echo boom trend.

- A higher immigration rate, however, has offset the impact of declining births.

- Enrollment stats for major illegal alien gateway city school districts that included: Queens, New York; Elizabeth, Newark and New Brunswick, New Jersey; and Wake County in North Carolina revealed explosive growth in immigrant students, far beyond numbers consistent with *legal* migration limits.

- NYC public school system is the largest in the nation, enrollment of 1.1 million students.

- Immigrant student enrollment for 1998-2001 was 103,000, with Queens accounting for the largest share, 37,000.

- Between 1990 and 2001, more than half of New York City’s school districts increased their enrollments 10% or more, driven by a high number of immigrant students.

- New York City Public Schools, 1999 to 2001: 102,867 immigrant students: Dominican Republic, China, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Ecuador, Colombia and Haiti.


17 posted on 09/22/2005 5:05:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RTINSC

Less in minimum and no benefits.


18 posted on 09/22/2005 5:10:13 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RTINSC
We have problems with identity theft. Illegal Aliens are stealing the identities of legal citizens so they can work at fast food restaurants and as maids. They aren't paid under the table. They make minimum wage.
19 posted on 09/22/2005 5:21:46 PM PDT by after dark
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

Whoaa, you need 500K as a retiree to go to Australia? That's amazing since Australia was originally a penal colony where only the "riff-raff" were sent.


20 posted on 09/22/2005 5:49:34 PM PDT by Translates
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