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After the wishy washy email earlier this week I was discouraged. They need to sue every jackboot that violated a private citizen's rights, especially that CHP jackboot that tackled the 70 year old woman in her own kitchen.

A sea change has taken place with the events in New Orleans. We must react forcefully. If you haven't called your representatives and the NRA you are passively accepting the inevitable. If you hate the NRA, call the GOA etc. Do something. If this stands the 2cnd amendment is toast. (It may already be toast but we must try "for the children". I want my child to grow up in a country where there are some freedoms.)

P.s. To all the FR cops. I have seen very few of you denounce this. If the cops on FR support this - what must it be like in the rank and file.

1 posted on 09/12/2005 5:12:51 PM PDT by Nov3
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I'm glad the NRA has finally come out with this statement.
2 posted on 09/12/2005 5:15:37 PM PDT by Cagey (Scrapple is not for vegetarians, those who keep kosher, or those with weak stomachs)
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ping


4 posted on 09/12/2005 5:24:00 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3; Flyer; Eaker; humblegunner; Travis McGee; Squantos; thackney

If the NRA is so committed to this, then the plan needs to be laid out for it membership in extreme detail...

Forget about the statute for now...That can be dealt with in due course...

#1 Suspend and investigate the officer who acted upon that woman in her own home...Get the full story out there whether it goes our way or not...

#2 Every single firearm confiscated under this inappropriate order will be located and returned to its owner before the end of the week...If a full attempt to return is not documented, and or the weapons not returned in an expiditious manner to their owners, the City of New Orleans will be fined $1000 per day, per firearm, till the issue is resolved...Period...This needs a court to rule on this unfortunately...Maybe our future CJ nominee can make an impact on this next month, first thing...

#3 Don't ever, ever do it again...Thats the message that needs to be tattooed under the eyelids of a few people in the country...Leave it alone...Guns are not the problem...

This seems extremely reasonable and do-able...Considering the offence these officials committed by exploiting a vague guideline within the law...

They know they were testing to see who would pop up and notice what they did...

Time to put a lid on it all...

And if any Law Enforcement in the FR community has a problem with my tone, please by all means contact me...I welcome the opinions of that community, and will be glad to clarify my opinion if you feel I may be critical of Law Enforcement, which I am not...


5 posted on 09/12/2005 5:29:48 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans)
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"Four million NRA members intend to stop this unconstitutional power grab."

And let's strive to make it 8 million by next year...

7 posted on 09/12/2005 5:31:54 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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["Local authorities in New Orleans are turning nature’s assault on human life into man’s assault on human rights,"]


I believe the end of a free America and the bill of rights went out the door the day the five socialist supreme court judges allowed rich men to steal poor working class people's properties if they would pay higher taxes.
And no one in our conservative party has said or done a thing; the pubs are weak and foolish people and I don't belive they are worth voting for anymore.


10 posted on 09/12/2005 5:32:38 PM PDT by wgeorge2001 (And the Lord shall be King over all the earth;in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.)
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Those cops who have done this should be prosecuted, stripped of their on own guns, and set out into the flood zone again armed only with tasers.


11 posted on 09/12/2005 5:35:10 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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Thanks for the ping.


20 posted on 09/12/2005 5:47:22 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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Glad to hear this news. Our local San Antonio so called conservative radio talk show host had come out in support of the forced evacuations.

That was bad enough, but today when I turned him on he was peeing all over himself because he got to go down to NO and hang out with the National Guard and apparently with the BATF too. He said he was really impressed with the BATF. You should have heard him practically begging on the air to be invited into their circle so he could lick their boots some more. It was sickening.


21 posted on 09/12/2005 6:16:42 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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I'll give a personal testimony to all FR's. I live in Florida and in last hurricane season my community was ravaged by two of the four hurricanes. There was no power, no immediate police protection, and no public services. We were ON OUR OWN. Florida gives easy access to firearms to all non-felons. We even have a right-to-carry law. As a precaution against possible looters I loaded my .38 Special. The important fact is that the criminals were very well aware that people all over the state were prepared to defend their lives and property. Guess what? There was no looting. In case anyone thinks my situation is anecdotal, I refer him to John Lott's many well researched books, especially "More Guns, Less Crime". The proven fact is that guns possessed by law-abiding citizens deters violent crimes. In our nanny state people have come to believe that at all times in every situation "somebody else" will look after them. But when you're really ALONE and there's no help -- who's going to protect your family and your property? ONLY YOU.


22 posted on 09/12/2005 6:18:11 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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Here's the bootlickers home page if you want to see what he looks like.

http://www.woai.com/radio/bolton/


25 posted on 09/12/2005 6:25:06 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns, quoting the superintendent of police that "only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."

I want to watch the NOPD take the assault rifles away from the Blackwater Security guys and other mercenaries that have been hired to protect private property.

32 posted on 09/12/2005 7:01:52 PM PDT by JoeGar
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Could you please ping this? It looks like the NRA is finally waking up.


38 posted on 09/12/2005 7:43:52 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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The guy that body slammed the old woman was a CHP as in California or Connecticut ....I head a strong Boston or NYC accent from someone in that fiasco ?

Stay safe !


51 posted on 09/12/2005 10:37:33 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
57 posted on 09/13/2005 6:39:33 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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Well, Wayne, it took you long enough to get off your duff and finally issue a strong statement against the New Orleans gun confiscations. Now, get on the ball and initiate legal action against the NOPD to ensure that those lawful citizens get their firearms back, or AT THE LEAST some kind of appropriate reimbursement, and to stop the precedent in its tracks before other police forces get any ideas during similar situations.


61 posted on 09/13/2005 7:00:21 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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I haven't FReeped in a while, and this is a good article to start...

I am totally lucky. Why? I don't live in NOLA. So? Well, if I did, I'd probably be dead...after surviving the hurricane. (And the LEOs/spooks/alphabet agencies on this site who know me know exactly what I mean).

5.56mm

64 posted on 09/13/2005 7:58:45 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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...especially that CHP jackboot that tackled the 70 year old woman in her own kitchen.

Whaaat!? I read FR every day but I missed that one.

What happened?

69 posted on 09/13/2005 8:48:39 AM PDT by It's me
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If the NRA performs to its usual level, it'll huff and puff and come up with a 'compromise' solution that confiscation is OK so long as the NRA is part of the process.

So far as the Bush administration is concerned, their position will be that the RKBA is an individual right and individuals can appeal to the courts. Expect no action nor even much lip service.


74 posted on 09/13/2005 9:37:51 AM PDT by Grut
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There are a number of truly chilling aspects to the Governmental responses to the flooding along the Gulf Coast--and the disrespect for the rights to private arms is probably first on the list. I say that, because it undermines all of the other rights that are also involved.

The true American philosophy of Government has always not only recognized the right of the citizen to private arms, but has sought to encourage its exercise as one of the true foundational pillars of our whole system. (See The Right & Duty To Keep & Bear Arms. George Washington actually wanted Congress to appropriate funds to make sure that every family could afford to arm its young manhood.)

One also hears tales of Governmental personnel (FEMA, etc.) appropriating private property. What needs to be addressed, with clarity and determination, is the whole idea of substituting utilitarian premises--the greatest good for the greatest number--for the moral foundations of American society. The individual does not hold his basic rights to property and to take measures for personal protection by the leave of the present Governments. They are not subject to being seized because of an emergency. (There is a right of eminent domain, but not without a corresponding right to compensation and due process--and certainly not at the whim of lower level bureaucrats.)

The damage from the Hurricane may have been as severe as has been reported (although where you snap the pictures certainly controls the impressions created), but no mere storm--however terrible--must be allowed to blow American principles away. This is the one land on earth built upon the principle that the individual matters; that his rights are not the collective's to take away.

William Flax

77 posted on 09/13/2005 10:43:26 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To whom it may concern, and you know who you are, please knock off the personal stuff.


90 posted on 09/14/2005 9:18:30 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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