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Bush bungled Katrina crisis, say Britons
Times Online ^

Posted on 09/10/2005 5:16:37 PM PDT by jmc1969

AN overwhelming majority of Britons believe that President George W Bush has mismanaged the response to Hurricane Katrina, a Sunday Times poll has found. Fully 86% of people said his handling of the crisis was “bad” or “very bad”, while 70% said he was a generally incompetent president.

By almost three to one, 63% to 23%, people think the response to the hurricane would have been speedier and more effective if most victims had been white and middle class. By 67% to 19% they think race and class divisions in America are as bad as ever.

The poll of a representative sample of 1,856 adults, carried out on September 8-9 by YouGov, the online pollsters, is the first major test of UK public opinion on the crisis.

The poll uncovers deep hostility to Bush; 57% agree and 23% disagree that he is “one of the worst presidents America has ever had”. By 66% to 18% they think he is generally “not trustworthy”, and by 68% to 21% that he is “not really concerned about the fate of ordinary people”.

The disaster has also hit America’s reputation more generally. By 63% to 20%, people said the Katrina aftermath and the Iraq violence showed America is “losing the ability to organise and run things”.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: britain; england; eurotwitsforkerry; greatbritain; katrina; neworleans; poms; scotland; uk; unitedkingdom; wales
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To: Savage Beast

Thanks for posting that photo essay--very interesting--puts you right there and gives you a new perspective.


101 posted on 09/10/2005 8:06:24 PM PDT by duvausa
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To: GoLightly

My family would be considered as Americanologists either in my place of birth (Hong Kong) or New Zealand. We come from a family with pre-Communist Chinese KMT ties (the government that moved to Taiwan in 1949 after the Communists won the war on mainland). My parents are both sympathetic to Taiwan and because dad is a scholar in history he went to Taiwan for researches and conferences about 2 times every year when we were in HK and they often bought back some education materials back from Taiwan for me to learn.

Taiwan during the 1970s and 80s accepted a lot of American influences in government, public, and cultural matters. Education materials talked a lot about America. From these I learned about Thanksgiving, US founders, the US Declaration of Independence, baseball, Emerson, T.S. Eliot, Helen Keller, in addition to the usual diets of American things everyone knows such as Hollywood and Coca-Cola. In fact it gives me an understanding of America that never appears on textbooks in Hong Kong (as a then British colony not too much about the United States was discussed at school) or New Zealand (most Kiwis don't even know who Benjamin Franklin or John Adams are, although they know William Gladstone or the Duke of Wellington).

We were also enthusiastic readers of the Chinese-language edition of Reader's Digest. In the 1980s and 90s the Chinese edition printed a lot of American conservative materials and stories of average America that got bypassed in the MSMs commonly available such as Time or Newsweek etc. I read articles from Michael Novak and many things like Reagan's policies, US domestic policies like Medicare described from an American point of view. This gave me some ideas of how the "other" America lives.

In addition, my brother is an immigrant to your country and he is to become a citizen next year. I learned about the US from the perspectives of someone who actually lives in your country. Something most New Zealanders don't have the privilege of.

So you can see where my knowledge of your country come from. ;-)


102 posted on 09/10/2005 8:22:50 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: Fred Nerks

The London Times is considered the paper which people in position of power in Britain read and it is definitely not leftist by British standards. It seems Britain is slowly being New Zealandized.


103 posted on 09/10/2005 8:38:36 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK

Any recent changes in management or ownership at The Times lately?


104 posted on 09/10/2005 8:47:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: NZerFromHK

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482103/posts

is this from the same publication?


105 posted on 09/10/2005 8:52:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: always vigilant

It would have been much better if we'd followed your enlightened example and put the Irish in reservations.


106 posted on 09/10/2005 9:00:01 PM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: Babu

He was a great man. Without Churchill we might have sat back and done nothing until the Nazis declared war on us, just like you did.


107 posted on 09/10/2005 9:02:39 PM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: jmc1969

Who cares what Britain (formerly Great) thinks? Britain is symbolized by bad food, bad teeth, bad hygiene, and bad socialized medicine.


108 posted on 09/10/2005 9:06:48 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: jmc1969

WTF cares what furriners think! They can't vote.


109 posted on 09/10/2005 9:24:36 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: jmc1969

Who cares what they think?


110 posted on 09/10/2005 9:34:10 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (Saddam Hussein harboured and paid terrorists. Any questions?)
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To: jmc1969

That's because most of them have no concept of local vs. county vs. state vs. federal government, since they don't have that there.


111 posted on 09/10/2005 9:39:47 PM PDT by wimpycat (Hyperbole is the opiate of the activist wacko.)
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To: jmc1969

This, folks, is your media a work. Aren't they something? If we have another disaster in this country, I'm willing to bet that people will shoot the reporters first.


112 posted on 09/10/2005 9:39:57 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: madison10
"What do they know? Only what the moronic media tells them."

Exactly.

Ask the people of the Cold War Soviet Union their opinion of the U.S. and they parroted back the only things they were told.

How many of those polled witnessed anything for themselves or talked to anyone firsthand who did? Not many, I'd wager.

113 posted on 09/10/2005 9:55:13 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: jmc1969

What I think about what these British "pollsters" think....

114 posted on 09/10/2005 10:01:53 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: English Nationalist

Yeah, explain your tyranny, effing expert. Go on.


115 posted on 09/10/2005 10:10:20 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: jmc1969

The British are, of course, experts on hurricanes, and know well the ins and outs of our Federalist system of government, as well as the intricacies of Louisiana politics.


116 posted on 09/10/2005 10:11:43 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Well, I retract my statement for all other Brits but that jerk. I don't think the Brits are tyrants. His snide answer just pissed me off.


117 posted on 09/10/2005 10:19:45 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: jmc1969
Dear Limey friends:
To borrow a phrase, Piss off!
118 posted on 09/10/2005 10:20:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: jmc1969

Geez. I'm sure they would know.


119 posted on 09/10/2005 10:25:15 PM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: Fenris6
"What do you expect? Euro's get spoonfed by BBC and CNN International (which is actually WORSE than CNN here)"

Your right. The only TV news I get here is CNN International, and their coverage makes me puke.
They have eased up a little in the past few days, but for the first week, they could not have been any worse with
the anti Bush rants and their tone of disgust. All of the
Katrina CNN news has been feeds from the US CNN.
I am sure the BBC has been just as disgusting, but I have not seen it.
The print media here is all like the NYT.

Another problem is that Europeans have the "Nanny State"
concept. They expect everything comes from the national government, and do not have a concept of state and county
government functions.
In Addition, they have no concept of the size of the disaster area.

On a European forum, I had to fight tooth and nail to
counter the misconceptions that members had been fed, such
as their understanding that the Levee failure was ALL the fault of Bush, their was no national guard because they are all in Iraq, and Katrina was a result of the US night signing Kyoto.....thats just how bad it is here.

I post links to good sources such as TechCentral, but it is a real uphill battle.
120 posted on 09/10/2005 10:28:09 PM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava)
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