Wrong. Until the 14th, there were no American citizens, there were on state citizens.
We live in under Constitutionally mandated republican form of government, and as such, the wishes of the majority via delegates or votes is supreme (using your logic Lincoln had to accomodate Northern Copperheads).
You assert that I 'cherish' treason which is a lie - I cherish the God given right of self government.
The states seceded - renounced their allegience to the union - defending themselves from invasion from President Dictator Lincoln.
What clause in the Constitution allows the President to invade a state in the union without request by the state? None. Per the Constitition (Article IV §4) the legislature or Executive of a state must petition for assistance, or else be invaded. No legislature or governor requested aid, thus leaving the only Constitutional grounds for invasion by King Lincoln was the invasion of the states - WHO were these unknown invaders?
Not being members of the American union, they were not traitors - just as George Washington was not a traitor (see my #434).
If the US voted to renounce membership in the UN, who then refused to abandon said UN building, would the US have the right to reclaim property on their soil?
No one is wanting to turn the clock back to pre-1960 South, what is desired is a return to the limited federal government envisioned by the framers, and an end to the federal leviathan that exists today.
I do not wear a war bonnet, the only one that can command me to do anything is my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ - and you ain't Him.
Sedition was not breaking out everywhere. Per Amendment I, the people of each state have the God given right to assemble. The people were attempting to banish a foreign invader from their soil. The charge of sedition is levied by those that haven't a spine, cowards that tremble when Senators Leahy and Kennedy speak, that would submit to their authority, even when they craft a law violating the Constitution. You sir, may continue to crouch down like a dog and lick the hand that feeds you, I'll side with Patrick Henry and George Washington.
You claim that I 'need to clean up my act'. In other words, you assert again that your authority extends over me, and over anyone disagreeing with your opinion. I do agree that this republic has many problems, notably liberals, and liberals pretending to be conservative while handing out billions and billions of our money on pork.
Amazing, considering that six states seceded before Lincoln was even inaugurated, much less mounting any kind of "invasion." And what are we to make of the states seizing federal facilities and weapons before they announced their secession?
Is that the best excuse you can dream up for justifying treason?
"We live in under Constitutionally mandated republican form of government, and as such, the wishes of the majority via delegates or votes is supreme (using your logic Lincoln had to accomodate Northern Copperheads)."
I those such as yourself had had their way America would have remained have free and half slave.
"You assert that I 'cherish' treason which is a lie -
Very good to hear you agree with crushing the sedition created by the 'Confederates' in 1860-61.
"I cherish the God given right of self government."
Good line, however if you guys had won just whom would have "the God given right of self government."?
"The states seceded - renounced their allegience to the union - defending themselves from invasion from President Dictator Lincoln."
You are aware lines like that make you look like a frigging nut?
"What clause in the Constitution allows the President to invade a state in the union without request by the state? None. Per the Constitution (Article IV §4) the legislature or Executive of a state must petition for assistance, or else be invaded. No legislature or governor requested aid, thus leaving the only Constitutional grounds for invasion by King Lincoln was the invasion of the states - WHO were these unknown invaders?"
The slavocracy torn up any rights to the provisions of the Constitution when they viciously conspired and then attacked U.S. military installations and naval vessels to deliberately incite civil war with the sick hope of overthrowing the U.S. government. This is called sedition - treason!
Cracks like 'King Lincoln' once more prove you favour traitors in relation to an American President. In terms of 'invaders', your type started the problem and were justifiably crushed. You need to somehow always validate sedition of the slave empire, so have a party in your own backward mind. The plantation era is over sonny.
"Not being members of the American union, they were not traitors - just as George Washington was not a traitor (see my #434)."
You know I noticed at the end of that thread you once again accused yet another FReeper Mac_Truck who was also not in agreement with your neo-confederate are stated that cap again ""You post like you're a member of the Taliban."
Taliban? You expect credibility with slander thrown at a fellow conservative?
"Sedition was not breaking out everywhere.."
That's right, even loyal Southern Americans were assisting in crushing the rebellion of the criminal confederate politicians.
"Per Amendment I, the people of each state have the God given right to assemble. The people were attempting to banish a foreign invader from their soil."
That is warped despicable overview of the United States Armed Froces as "a foreign invader"?
What nerve, pure gaul calling others 'Taliban' with that disgusting crack. You should be deported since you hate this nation to such a degree, but who the hell would want you?