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"Wrong. Until the 14th, there were no American citizens, there were on state citizens."

Is that the best excuse you can dream up for justifying treason?

"We live in under Constitutionally mandated republican form of government, and as such, the wishes of the majority via delegates or votes is supreme (using your logic Lincoln had to accomodate Northern Copperheads)."

I those such as yourself had had their way America would have remained have free and half slave.

"You assert that I 'cherish' treason which is a lie -

Very good to hear you agree with crushing the sedition created by the 'Confederates' in 1860-61.

"I cherish the God given right of self government."

Good line, however if you guys had won just whom would have "the God given right of self government."?

"The states seceded - renounced their allegience to the union - defending themselves from invasion from President Dictator Lincoln."

You are aware lines like that make you look like a frigging nut?

"What clause in the Constitution allows the President to invade a state in the union without request by the state? None. Per the Constitution (Article IV §4) the legislature or Executive of a state must petition for assistance, or else be invaded. No legislature or governor requested aid, thus leaving the only Constitutional grounds for invasion by King Lincoln was the invasion of the states - WHO were these unknown invaders?"

The slavocracy torn up any rights to the provisions of the Constitution when they viciously conspired and then attacked U.S. military installations and naval vessels to deliberately incite civil war with the sick hope of overthrowing the U.S. government. This is called sedition - treason!

Cracks like 'King Lincoln' once more prove you favour traitors in relation to an American President. In terms of 'invaders', your type started the problem and were justifiably crushed. You need to somehow always validate sedition of the slave empire, so have a party in your own backward mind. The plantation era is over sonny.

"Not being members of the American union, they were not traitors - just as George Washington was not a traitor (see my #434)."

You know I noticed at the end of that thread you once again accused yet another FReeper Mac_Truck who was also not in agreement with your neo-confederate are stated that cap again ""You post like you're a member of the Taliban."

Taliban? You expect credibility with slander thrown at a fellow conservative?

"Sedition was not breaking out everywhere.."

That's right, even loyal Southern Americans were assisting in crushing the rebellion of the criminal confederate politicians.

"Per Amendment I, the people of each state have the God given right to assemble. The people were attempting to banish a foreign invader from their soil."

That is warped despicable overview of the United States Armed Froces as "a foreign invader"?

What nerve, pure gaul calling others 'Taliban' with that disgusting crack. You should be deported since you hate this nation to such a degree, but who the hell would want you?

The majority of your rant I'll simply ignore, no matter how many times I refute you, by Lincoln's own words and deeds, by the powers DELEGATED to the federal government you refuse to believe, so continue to crouch down lick the hand that feeds you. The states already possesed slavery, if that was all the Confederacy desired, all they had to do was rejoin and ratify Lincoln's 13th Amendment guaranteeing PERMANT slavery.

Secondly, Lincoln did not wage war to end slavery [#453 above]

We didn't go into the war to put down slavery, but to put the flag back, and to act differ at this moment, would, I have no doubt, not only weaken our cause but smack of bad faith; for I never should have had votes enough to send me here if the people had supposed I should try to use my power to upset slavery. Why, the first thing you'd see, would be a mutiny in the [UNION] army.'

By his own admission, no ending of slavery. By his own admission he was not elected to end slavery.

Once again the Confederate states were not attempting to overthrow the government in Washington and make slaves out of yankees. How many people were killed in said attacks? When did Congress declare war on the states doing so? These "attacks" occurred while Congress was in session, why did they not declare war? How can a fort 1000 miles away from a union state defend the union?

When the US secedes from the UN, and Koffi refuse to depart, does China and France have the right to prevent the US from taking it back?

If UN troops seize US property would you consider that illegal?

Do you think that the US government can legislate against free speech and firearms ownership, despite the plain reading of the 1st and 2nd amendments?

Do you think that the US government can seize YOUR property and give it to private enterprise?

Do you think that the US government can legislate God out of the public domaion?

Do you think that the US government can do anything it wants, as that as long as the courts find some international law (say Cuban) to justify their decision, that the court is right and YOU must abide by that decision?

Do you think that the federal government can legally dole out billions and billions of dollars of 'pork', aid to foreign countries, or even give monies to individuals affected by disaster?

If Congress enacted a law that all handicapped, the elderly and infirm must be euthanized, and the courts agreed, would that said law would be legal?

If no, would it be treason to fire on US forces attempting to seize your grandparents?

I don't know about you, but I agree with the founders, prefer not to give in to evil, and as Patrick Henry stated, 'give me liberty or give me death'. If your government can do the above with impunity, that's not government, that's tyranny.