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Holdouts to Be Removed From New Orleans
BREITBART ^

Posted on 09/09/2005 6:06:57 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

NEW ORLEANS

Authorities said their sweep of this deluged city for the last voluntary evacuees was nearly complete, with officers ready to carry out the mayor's order to forcibly remove the thousands who remain in their homes.

"The ones who wanted to leave, I would say most of them are out," said Detective Sgt. James Imbrogglio.

Between 5,000 and 10,000 residents are believed left in the city, where toxic floodwaters have started to slowly recede but the task of collecting rotting corpses and clearing debris will likely take months.

Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Jason Rule said his crew pulled 18 people from their homes Thursday. He said some of the holdouts did not want to leave unless they could take their pets.

"It's getting to the point where they're delirious," Rule said. "A couple of them don't know who they were. They think the water will go down in a few days."

Police Chief Eddie Compass said officers would use the "minimum amount of force" necessary to persuade those who remain to evacuate. Although no one was forcibly removed Thursday, some residents said they left under extreme pressure.

"They were all insisting that I had to leave my home," said Shelia Dalferes, who said she had 15 minutes to pack before she and her husband were evacuated.

"The implication was there with their plastic handcuffs on their belt. Who wants to go out like that?"

As searches for the living continued, the grim task of retrieving corpses intensified under the broiling sun. Officials raised the death toll in Louisiana to 118 Thursday, though New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has said up to 10,000 could be dead in that city alone. State officials have ordered 25,000 body bags.

Authorities are now faced with the challenge of how to identify bodies that may be bloated and decayed beyond recognition. At two collection sites, federal mortuary teams were collecting information that may help identify the bodies, such as where they were found. Personal effects were also being logged.

At the temporary morgue set up in nearby St. Gabriel, where 67 bodies had been collected by Thursday, the remains were being photographed and forensic workers hope to use dental X-rays, fingerprints and DNA to identify them.

Dr. Bryan Patucci, coroner of St. Bernard Parish, said it may be impossible to identify all the victims until authorities compile a final list of missing people.

Decaying corpses in the floodwaters could pose problems for engineers who are desperately trying to pump the city dry. While 37 of the 174 pumps in the New Orleans area were working and 17 portable pumps were in place Thursday, officials said the mammoth undertaking could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.

"It's got a huge focus of our attention right now," said John Rickey of the Army Corps of Engineers. "Those remains are people's loved ones."

Some 400,000 homes in the city were also still without power, with no immediate prospect of getting it back. And fires continued to be a problem. At least 11 blazes burned across the city Thursday, including at historically black Dillard University where three buildings were destroyed.

Also Thursday, Congress rushed through an additional $51.8 billion for relief and recovery efforts and President Bush pledged to make it "easy and simple as possible" for uprooted storm victims to collect food stamps and other government benefits.

In an attempt to stem the criticism of the slow federal response to the disaster, Vice President Dick Cheney also toured parts of the ravaged Gulf Coast, claiming significant progress but acknowledging immense obstacles remained to a full recovery.

Meanwhile, Democrats threatened to boycott the naming of a panel that Republican leaders are proposing to investigate the administration's readiness and response to the storm. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said it was like a baseball pitcher calling "his own balls and strikes."

Democrats have urged appointment of an independent panel like the Sept. 11 commission.

Confusion continued to be a problem in many areas:

_ Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that radio equipment and portable generators she requested from the federal government a week ago had yet to arrive. Federal officials said they were tracking down the status of the items.

_ In Houston, hundreds of storm victims waited for hours to pick up debit cards for cash that had been promised by relief agencies. By noon Thursday, so many people had jammed the entrance to the sign-up area that some were overcome by the heat and police were summoned.

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To: Antonello

As Mr. O'Dwyer said in that video linked in 94, all he wants is "benign neglect" -- I have a feeling he and others like him can take care of business just fine.


241 posted on 09/09/2005 8:25:27 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I hate to break it to you, but at least in St. Bernard Parish, police are now shooting people's animals right in front of them, if the people will not evacuate.

I really hope that isn't true. I would see that as a direct attack, and would most definitely fight back.

WOW, they just asked the NO police chief this question, and he just this second said he was NOT allowed to say or comment on that! CNN.....

242 posted on 09/09/2005 8:26:30 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: spunkets

>>>You've been talking like the flood waters are an open sewer. Can you explain how the sewage enters the waters?Z>>>

The flood waters mingle with the water in the sewers. What you say is neglible I say is important. Lets say you have a rack in the sink. In the sink is one cup of feces and you fill the sink up with water. The feces will mingle with the feces and contaminate the entire water supply in the sink. No, the feces is not concentrated anymore and very much diluted, but still enough to make me think it is unsafe. When the city floods, the water floods into the sewers and becomes nasty and INFECTIOUS. How many people have AIDS and poop in the toilets of NO? How many people have Hep C? Etc... I know a plumber that died from HEP C. He didn't have much contact with feces, but apparently enough.


243 posted on 09/09/2005 8:27:35 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: TheSpottedOwl

That's why the authorities at first demanded that no cameras accompany them on clean-up, but luckily cnn was able to get that rescinded.


244 posted on 09/09/2005 8:27:39 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"WHAT are these people doing for sanitary sewer services again?"

Maybe they're on septic tanks, not city sewer? Maybe they dug latrines or outhouses?"

Good call Owl.

Holy Crap! LOL! Some FReepers think they are pooping in their sleeping bags. I know we keep a few LARGE rolls of cheap trash bags and a roll of duck tape to take care of the unpleasant waste we produce. Come on folks, don't listen to the MSM. Most of us can take care of ourselves without giving up our inalienable rights.
245 posted on 09/09/2005 8:28:56 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: When do we get liberated?
If she wins the lawsuit, what will New Orleans do, give her a few city blocks?

A whole bunch of beads.

246 posted on 09/09/2005 8:29:21 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Black Tooth

I'm afraid it is true. Bringing my post on another thread over here:

http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/content/shared/news/nation/stories/09/08KATRINA_RESCUE.html

snip

Despite such political wrangling in the city, cops in St. Bernard Parish made it clear Wednesday that they weren't interested in taking no for an answer. Nor were they taking dogs they deemed too big or dangerous.

That left forced evacuee Marie Miller on the verge of tears.

"They shot our dogs!" Miller, a 54-year-old housewife, said of her mixed pit bulls, Angel and Hooch. She had gone inside to collect clothes and personal papers when she heard it.

"Boom! Boom!" Miller said. "Hooch came in and had blood all over him."

Miller, husband William and 20-year-old daughter Shannon were taken to a local warehouse dubbed Camp Katrina, where they received tetanus shots and other medical treatment from Mid Georgia Ambulance Co. of Macon, Ga., a private company that volunteered to help.

Shannon sat on her red Marlboro duffel bag, clutching her Chihuahua, Sassy, who was small enough to save. Crying, she recalled what had happened less than an hour before. She didn't see the shot. She just knew it was to Angel's head.


247 posted on 09/09/2005 8:29:23 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Black Tooth

I emailed Greta tonight about this, but I don't think she got to this. Maybe she mentioned something about animals, I think there was a little something, but I was too busy on this thread to pay much attention to the tv.


248 posted on 09/09/2005 8:31:19 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I'm afraid it is true. Bringing my post on another thread over here:

Yeah, just as I was reading your posts, the NO police chief totally declined to comment on that. Unbelievable.

249 posted on 09/09/2005 8:32:44 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Black Tooth

It is unbelievable.


250 posted on 09/09/2005 8:33:21 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: brytlea
Out of curiosity, I wonder where the water from the toilet goes since I assume the water treatment plant is not working. Maybe they have septic systems, altho I don't think you usually have those inside city limits. susie

I'm on septic. I live within the city limits in So Cal. Many folks up here are still on septic system.

251 posted on 09/09/2005 8:33:41 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: spunkets
You've been talking like the flood waters are an open sewer. Can you explain how the sewage enters the waters?
No brainer; the sewage treatment facilities in NOLA are inop; do you recall seeing video where the water is 'boiling' for no appreant reason (and NO, not the nat. gas fires).

Found while rummaging around on the internet, from an article appearing in '36:


Typhoid Fever

Typhoid fever is known as an infectious,
febrile disease, caused by a baccillus introduced
into the system with the food or drinking water,
and characterized by catarrh of the intestines,
enlargement and necrosis of the peyerian
glands, enlargement of the spleen, and mesenteric
glands, peculiar eruptions appearing
on the seventh, eighth, and ninth days consisting
of small slightly elevated rose-colored
spots, and often diarrhea.

Reduction in Typhoid

Some thirty years ago there were about 450,000 cases 
of typhoid fever each year, and an annual death toll 
of 45,000 from this disease.

By 1925 the number of cases of typhoid had dropped to 
150,000 and the deaths to 15,000. This 300 per cent 
decrease is due chiefly to:

(1) Safe water supplies.
(2) Quick and safe removal of fecal matter
    through the medium of a water closet bowl.
(3) Adequate sewerage systems.
(4) Elimination of the privy vault, the principal
    breeding place of the common house fly - carrier
    of disease germs from the privy to human food.
    Elimination of sources of pollution of private 
    water supplies.

The water closet bowl can hardly be denied its proper 
place of importance in the reduction of typhoid fever 
in the United States. The practice of swatting flies 
and screening houses against the fly is often given 
full credit for the reduction of typhoid fever, but 
to eliminate a disease it is necessary to remove the
cause.

Making filth inaccessible to the fly removes his power 
to do harm as a carrier. In sects and vermin are 
carriers. What the fly is to typhoid, the louse is to 
typhus and the mosquito to malaria fever. When vermin 
cannot become infected, they cannot transport disease
from filth to man, or man to man. Remove the cause and 
prevent the disease. Typhoid is a filth disease, and 
the quick and safe removal of fecal matter is an act 
of prevention.

252 posted on 09/09/2005 8:35:32 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: DocRock
"without due process of law"

Oh come on! You mean baby doc nagin and generalissimo compass don't dish out due process of law?

"without just compensation."

They're being allowed to get out of town alive. They made baby doc nagin unhappy, he's being generous. Baby doc nagin loves his flock.

Sorry, I just find it ridiculous people would take what that incompetent petty tyrant seriously and argue in support of his trashy schemes.

253 posted on 09/09/2005 8:35:47 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Black Tooth

We're seeing people forced off their properties, their legal guns taken away, their pets shot in front of them. What world did we just step into?


254 posted on 09/09/2005 8:37:44 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: spunkets

Baby doc nagin...I love that.


255 posted on 09/09/2005 8:38:45 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: sandbar
Who's the idiot? So tell me what DOES breed in the water genius? Misquitos.

Given your spelling I would say you are the idiot

256 posted on 09/09/2005 8:39:16 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: texasbluebell

"We're seeing people forced off their properties, their legal guns taken away, their pets shot in front of them. What world did we just step into?"

The Future


257 posted on 09/09/2005 8:39:25 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Happy2BMe


ROTFLOL!!!!!!!! I love that.


258 posted on 09/09/2005 8:40:49 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Some people cannot admit they are wrong. This is wrong in every way.


259 posted on 09/09/2005 8:41:02 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: sandbar

Actually, we had a septic tank when I lived in Metarie.


260 posted on 09/09/2005 8:41:56 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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