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New Orleans: Breach closed in 17th Street Canal levee
Times Picayune ^ | Sept. 4, 2005 7:32 p.m. | joe darby

Posted on 09/04/2005 7:20:44 PM PDT by jonatron

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To: Paul C. Jesup

I wonder if they will pump it slow just to let the outer layer to dry

Are the levees just clay or is there a rock foundation of any kind?

How thick is the levee? How high?


21 posted on 09/04/2005 7:38:36 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: topher
I hope they are floating (via barge) in a number of pumps to start getting the water out...

Not likely; EVAPORATION would get rid of more water than a number of smaller pumps.

The NORMAL pumps they use are 12 to 14 foot in diameter, are cranked by 600 (or so) horsepower motors and move 550 to 1000 CFS (Cubic Feet/second) ...

ONE small thundershower and all the 'effort' of your smaller pumps would be negated.

22 posted on 09/04/2005 7:39:09 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Since the water will be pumped out slowly, maybe it won't be so bad.


23 posted on 09/04/2005 7:39:38 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: patriciaruth

That's an amazing story. Where's the link?


24 posted on 09/04/2005 7:39:47 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: RGSpincich

I am not sure pressure is the issue, erosion is

THEN pressure!

Or is that what you meant?


25 posted on 09/04/2005 7:40:01 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: jonatron

I have a general question I have not seen addressed. Can all this toxic water simply be pumped out into either Lake Ponchatrain or the Mississippi without doing something to purify it first, or do they simply pump away and hope it does not do any kind of damage?


26 posted on 09/04/2005 7:40:07 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Agreed, I would think about some 3 or 4 inch railroad ballast fill behind it now, and Plenty of it.


27 posted on 09/04/2005 7:40:16 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: jonatron

Great news.


28 posted on 09/04/2005 7:41:33 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: _Jim

The NORMAL pumps they use are 12 to 14 foot in diameter, are cranked by 600 (or so) horsepower motors and move 550 to 1000 CFS (Cubic Feet/second) ...



Where are the normal pumps they are going to use? If they aren't available then looks like a large number of smaller pumps may have to be used...


29 posted on 09/04/2005 7:45:45 PM PDT by deport (If you want something bad enough, there's someone who will sell it to you. Even the truth your way.)
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To: js1138

It is in another story at the same link as listed for for this article, at the beginning of this thread.

nola.com


30 posted on 09/04/2005 7:47:11 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

they simply pump away and hope it does not do any kind of damage?

The sun and mother nature will eventually take care of it. I just wouldn't go swimming for a while. You don't think the Mississippi water was clean when it got to NO do you? It's only slightly more brackish now.


31 posted on 09/04/2005 7:47:56 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I believe the damage will be limited by the dilution factor. Get it in the lake or river and it is united with the Gulf water.

Besides I don't know the toxins. Oil, bacteria, sewer waste. Pump away, there is not treatment facility that could do anything anyway.


32 posted on 09/04/2005 7:48:26 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: jonatron

Been wondering about repair progress. Dosen't get mentioned much on TV.


33 posted on 09/04/2005 7:48:34 PM PDT by devane617
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To: _Jim
You are right... But one could sandbag around critical facilities (utilities?) and try to drain them.

But maybe this is just a mess, and people need to pray for dry weather (a rarity in South Louisiana, but September can be a dry month -- relatively speaking).

I imagine most restaurants that have walkin freezers probably have a horrible stench by now with the rotting food...

34 posted on 09/04/2005 7:50:48 PM PDT by topher (God bless and protect our troops and service personnel around the world)
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To: jonatron

My Aunt lives 2 blocks from the Lake levee (she was pulled by C.G.) She said it ruptured when it was hit by a barge!

The barge was trying to fix a bridge.

It's not Bush's fault!!


35 posted on 09/04/2005 7:51:24 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: deport
Where are the normal pumps they are going to use?

Obviously,

a) they were looted to pump out somebody's own personal basement ..

b) Some of those assets are/may be under water; this necessiates drying out the AC Switchgear ('fusebox') adn the motors (some of these motors run off 3-phase 6,000 volt 25 Hz AC and some off 60 Hz AC)

c) Commecial AC power has not been restored as of yet to the pump stations (some of these stations pump water, successively, to higher and higher canals; can't start one without starting all those 'in series').

36 posted on 09/04/2005 7:52:19 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Would it make a difference if it's not a levee? I saw a guy on tonight from the Army Corps of Engineers and he said it wasn't a levee, it was a canal retaining wall (?).....I may be wrong about what he called it. But he definitely said it wasn't a levee.


37 posted on 09/04/2005 8:01:49 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: jonatron

What about the other breach?


38 posted on 09/04/2005 8:03:26 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Howlin

I read that it's a floodwall not a levee. Floodwalls are made of steel and concrete. Levees are made of earth and are tringular shaped with the top flattened.


39 posted on 09/04/2005 8:03:59 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Howlin
How can you be posting now, instead of watching Geraldo??

For crying out loud, he's modestly relating his Congressional Medal of Honor citation as I type.

Gotta go...gotta watch...

40 posted on 09/04/2005 8:05:05 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Cindy, ya shoulda stuck with "offshore drilling" as your cause)
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