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New Orleans: Breach closed in 17th Street Canal levee
Times Picayune ^ | Sept. 4, 2005 7:32 p.m. | joe darby

Posted on 09/04/2005 7:20:44 PM PDT by jonatron

The breach in the 17th Street Canal levee that had put the city of New Orleans underwater was essentially closed early Sunday evening after days of work and the use of "ingenuity to the max," a top U.S. Corps of Engineers general said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: corpsofengineers; goodnews; howdryiamgoingtobe; katrina; levee; progress; usarmy; whentheleveebreaks; whentheleveesfixed
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To: jonatron
Imagine, a breach closed in one day...What the f--- took them so long to get started. I used to be a Republican. But I have seen the light. Incompetence is not a value I can tolerate. Bush should resign, right after he fires Chertoff and Brown.
Just what is the difference between what Saddam did to his people and what Bush allowed to happen to his people.
Criminal charges should be brought. Manslaughter, murder, dereliction of duty.
161 posted on 09/05/2005 12:10:41 PM PDT by alyalyinfree (aly)
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To: Howlin

So, now that the whole world has had a lesson in "how to destroy New Orleans," if they fix it, say build seawalls and levees higher than ever, all it takes is a terrorist with a modest amount of explosives in a barge or boat to breach a levee and submerge the city, say at 3am while everyone is sleeping.

If they rebuild this city without raising the buildings up, they had better plan on surrounding it with a whole lot of reinforced concrete. Better to fill it in / raise it.


162 posted on 09/05/2005 12:12:00 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: nicmarlo
Anything less would be, well, .... Nagin

LOL!

I think you've coined a phrase, nicmarlo.

From now on, whenever a task is performed with maximum bumbling and incompetence, we can refer to it as "pulling a Nagin." ;)

163 posted on 09/05/2005 12:16:17 PM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: alyalyinfree
You held your breath more than half a year for THAT?
164 posted on 09/05/2005 12:18:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: voletti

Helluva job. I bet your dad is proud.


165 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:00 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: patriciaruth

The governor was commander-in-field, and she was not up to it.


166 posted on 09/05/2005 12:39:48 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: alyalyinfree

bye!


167 posted on 09/05/2005 1:08:12 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you!


168 posted on 09/05/2005 1:09:34 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: Finalapproach29er
The barge was trying to fix a bridge or overpass.

My Aunt saw it happen, then was rescued from her roof.

Your aunt is nuts, she fed you a line, or you heard wrong.

These 'canals' are NOT, repeat NOT used for any sort of comercial traffic or boats or ships, THEY ARE USED AS PART OF THE PUMPED DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN NEW ORLEANS.

169 posted on 09/05/2005 1:30:31 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Roccus
Had read elsewhere on FR that the levee was breached and the water flow drew the barge into the opening.
See post #169.

New Orleans is virtually criss-crossed with both covered and un-covered canals whose only purpose is to 'move water'; this place isn't Venice ...

170 posted on 09/05/2005 1:33:04 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: jonatron

Great news.


171 posted on 09/05/2005 1:34:00 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Lib Buster
I know you're not entirely serious, but ...
I just have to ask, with the plethora of technical info I've been posting, how it would be that I would NOT know about 'basements' (and subterranean hydrology in general) in the various states, and, knowing that, why would you address me on such a basic point? It is well past impossible for 'looters' to have moved any of the pumps in NOLA, given their large size and weight ...

Details of pump weight and size upon request.

172 posted on 09/05/2005 1:43:38 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Starrgaizr
all it takes is a terrorist with a modest amount of explosives in a barge or boat to breach a levee and
Wow ... how did you come up with that one?

The major part of that synthesis is based on what is now fast surfacing as an 'urban legend' (barge hit canal wall and broke it!).

173 posted on 09/05/2005 1:48:52 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Roccus
Have only gotten as far as this post on this thread but would like to thank you for all the info you've imparted.
Thanks.
174 posted on 09/05/2005 1:52:05 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: _Jim
I may be into the retaining wall v. levee controversy here and don't mean to be. Let's just say that I read that a breach was caused in some form of water retention structure and the out-flow drew in a barge. As I said before, I read it somewhere here on FR and cannot garauntee it's validity.
175 posted on 09/05/2005 2:04:46 PM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: _Jim

I wasn't focusing on the urban legend issue, just the more general point. You can probably speculate better than I, how difficult would it be in normal times (not during a storm) to intentionally breach one of these levees and swamp the city?


176 posted on 09/05/2005 2:39:28 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: _Jim
Interesting, just found this comment from Mark Steyn:

But in Louisiana, the city and state officials have not performed well. And you think to yourself, this was really the first big test of Homeland Security since September 11th. Imagine, for example, that Osama bin Laden had had a plan to blow a hole in one of these levees, and flood New Orleans.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475924/posts

177 posted on 09/05/2005 2:47:35 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: The Brush
If I were to someday end up with two women for an evening, would I connect them in series or parallel?

Some folks may laugh, but I think you've asked a series question.

178 posted on 09/05/2005 2:51:21 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Roccus
I managed to find a map detailing where the 'break' took place; notice the navigable waterway, the Inner Harbor Navigation Canal on the far right has a 'levee breach' and the other 'canals' (used for getting water out of the city') are also indicated to have been 'breached':

Here's the text that accompanies the image:

Canal Closure Works Proceed, Pump Stations Are Next
(enr.construction.com - 9/02/05 issue)

The contractor working on the 17th St. Canal closure in New Orleans expected to complete the job by midday Sept. 2, then immediately move to stopper the London Ave. Canal in the same manner, according to a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers project manager.

Plugging the two canals will enable contractors to plug major canal breaches caused by overtopping from Hurricane Katrina's storm surge on Aug. 29. Floodwaters from Lake Pontchartrain overtopped the canal's 1-2-ft-thick steel and concrete-capped floodwalls, causing scouring from their earthen levee foundations. The water's force opened breaches of some 400 ft in each canal wall, allowing Lake Pontchartrain-at that point some five ft above flood stage to flow into the city which averages 6-14 ft below sea level in many places.

The lake is dropping toward its natural level of 0.5-1 ft above sea level, draining through the Rigolettes, Chef Mentour and Seabrook passes, according to gauge data monitored by the Corps. The level was at 2.1 ft on Sept. 1, said Al Naomi, program manager from the New Orleans District. He and several hundred employees from New Orleans were coordinating work from the Corps' Mississippi Valley Division headquarters in Vicksburg, Miss. "It's very difficult to maintain contact with our people on the ground in New Orleans," he said. Bell South provides the telecommunications backbone in the New Orleans area and is struggling to restore service in the 504 area code. Individual cell phone providers are replacing batteries in cell phone towers, Naomi added, but they restore service sporadically, typically from 24 to 48 hours. "One day the Cingular customers will have good service, but the next day they'll be down and the Nextel folks will be working. Communications is our biggest problem right now. It's nothing, compared to the people that need food and water and medical assistance, but it is a problem," he said.

Boh Brothers Construction Co., a New Orleans-based contractor, worked through the night, driving sheet piles into the 17th St. Canal base from the Hammond St. Bridge. Emergency generators provided light, said Tom Podany, a Corps project manager. As they were closing the flow of water into the canal from the lake, Blackhawk helicopters were placing some 120 sandbags of 3,000 lbs each into a 450-ft-long breach in the canal floodwall. As soon as Chinook helicopters-now in use to evacuate people from rooftops nearby-are available, 20,000-lb sandbags will be placed, said Podany. A convoy of contractors is also trucking rock to the site from a Bertucci Contracting Corp. bulk handling dock on the Mississippi River some five miles away, Podany said. "They're placing the material along the canal, about 500 ft from the breach," he said. "As soon as the sheet piles are in place, they'll start filling the breach with rock."

At the same time, the Corps and private contractors are building a "flexiboat bridge" from barges laid end to end across a flood area east of the 17th St. Canal. Its purpose is to provide access to the London Canal, so that Boh Bros. crews can drive sheet piles there and began to plug a breach nearly as long as the opening in the 17th St. Canal. Once both breaches are closed, Podany said, contractors will remove the sheet piles and the New Orleans Sewerage and Water Board will be able to restart its pumping stations and push the water from behind the flood protection system, back into the lake. The Corps will also strategically place five portable 42-inch pumps, each with a capacity of 1,000 cu ft per second, to accelerate drainage.

The Sewerage and Water Board is inspecting its pump stations, preparing to bring the flooded ones back online as soon as possible, Naomi says. "Some are already working, but they're in areas that are not affected right now," he added. A power station on Claiborne Ave., near the Jefferson Parish line, is critical to the effort, engineers said. The station, which was flooded and knocked offline, supplies 60% of the power to S&WB pumping stations. "It's a specially designed system, dedicated to the pumping system. It runs on 25 cycles. It's old, but the Corps and the Sewerage and Water Board just spent a lot of money making sure it's in good running order." The station, and a high-capacity pump station, took on water, but are on relatively high ground, he said. Crews will place about 1,000 bags of cement around the station's perimeter and pump it dry before restarting the power, Naomi said. He was not sure how soon that will be, however.

http://enr.ecnext.com/free-scripts/comsite2.pl?page=enr_document&article=20050902c
179 posted on 09/05/2005 3:09:37 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Nov3

"Again, they probably have at least cursory knowledge of the problem - have you taken the time to read up on the NO pumping system?"

I'll admit I'm nowhere near as polished as you apparently are, in avocations involving a lot of sucking.


180 posted on 09/05/2005 3:22:20 PM PDT by George Oh Well
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