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Rape threat to our women (more Terror Dome accounts)
Herald Sun (Australia) ^ | 04sep05 | CHRIS TINKLER and DARYL PASSMORE

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:52:12 PM PDT by Lorianne

AUSTRALIAN survivors of Hurricane Katrina told last night of their dramatic escape from New Orleans and the unfolding civil disaster in city.

The group, joyful at fleeing the nightmare of the Louisiana city, lauded one of its members as a hero. Bud Hopes, of Brisbane, was praised for saving dozens of tourists as the supposed safe haven of the city's Superdome became a hellhole.

"I would have to say that Bud is solely responsible for our evacuation," Vanessa Cullington, 22, of Sydney, told the Sunday Herald Sun by mobile phone from a bus carrying 10 Australians to safety in Dallas, Texas.

"I dread to think what would have happened if we hadn't got out. It's so great to be free."

News of the group's escape came as reports said as many as 10,000 people might have been killed by the hurricane and its aftermath, and President George Bush ordered more troops and an increased aid effort for the stricken Gulf of Mexico states.

As the Australians left the Superdome, food and water were almost non-existent and the stiflingly hot arena was filled with 25,000 people and the stench of human waste. Gangs stalked the tourists and women were threatened with rape.

"Bud took control. He was calm and kept it together the whole time," Ms Cullington said.

Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

"It was like a refugee camp within a prison.

"It was full on. It was the worst thing I have seen in my life. I have never been so frightened."

Realising that foreigners were a target, Mr Hopes and the other Aussies gathered tourists from Europe, South America and elsewhere into one part of the building.

"There were 65 of us, so we were able to look after each other -- especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened." Mr Hopes said.

He said they had organised escorts for the women when they had gone for food or to the toilet, and rosters to keep guard while others slept.

"We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning."

John McNeil, 20, of Brisbane, said the worst point had come after two days when soldiers had told them the power in the dome was failing and there was only 10 minutes worth of gas left.

"I looked at Bud and said, 'That will be the end of us'," Mr McNeil said.

"The gangs . . . knew where we were. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We prayed for a miracle and the lights stayed on."

Mr Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guard Staff Sgt Garland Ogden, who had broken the rules to get the tourists out of the dome, with 60 people being evacuated to a medical centre.

"We did some shifts at the hospital to help nurse the sick to say thank you. It was a real Aussie thing," he said.

As the bus carrying the Australians crossed the Texan border, spirits were high.

"We've had hotdogs and chips and everyone is laughing," Mr Hopes said.

Later, the bus arrived at Dallas Convention Centre, where the Australians were processed.

Family and friends gathered at the Brisbane home of Mr McNeil's parents, Peter and Mary, where they were joined by Mr Hopes's sister, Debbie Browne.

Mrs McNeil broke down when she saw images of her son leaving New Orleans.

"There have been times during this past week when we didn't know if we would see him again," she said.

Mr McNeil said he could see a change in his son.

"They've been traumatised," he said. "I think they've witnessed several atrocities."

The other Australians on the bus were Emma Hardwick, of Sydney; Simon Wood, of Wyalkatchem, WA; Michael Ryan, of Lithgow, NSW; Yasmin Bright, of Newcastle; Michelle and Lisa van Grinsven, of Sydney; and Elise Sims, Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide.

Meanwhile, three Australian couples were safe in Los Angeles, awaiting flights home after being rescued from New Orleans by a Channel 7 news crew.

Tim and Joanne Miller, of Rockhampton, Garry and Cynthia Jones, of Brisbane, and Jack and Gloria Slinger, of Perth, crammed into a four-wheel-drive vehicle with reporter Mike Amor and two colleagues for the early morning dash.

The crew had arranged to pick up two couples from the building where they were holed up and found the Slingers on the streets.

"They were very wary about about coming out of the building. It was a pretty frightening scene -- bodies, shootings, looters," Amor said.

A phone call in the middle of the night gave hope to relatives of Brisbane's Fiona Seidel and her sister-in-law, Katie Maclean.

Mrs Maclean's husband, Andrew, was contacted by a New Orleans police officer who said he had seen the pair get on a bus.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hurricaneaussies; katrina; superdome; terrordome
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To: SkyPilot
It is no excuse, but I have been working the last 50 hours-

God bless you and hang in there.

41 posted on 09/04/2005 7:10:55 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: BurbankKarl

Got a source?


42 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:09 PM PDT by Aznar5
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To: Lorianne
These thugs represent the core of most liberal cities and the rot within it. Like a magnet the social handouts attract the worst of the worst.

The swinging prison doors only allow the same thugs to commit many crimes before they manage to spend there lives in jail where they belong. Liberal ideology is destroying America.

Make New Orleans the new city of new America with no handouts and strict law enforcement and watch it explode with Capitalism as the greatest city in America.
43 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:18 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: SkyPilot

God bless you. Check in and tell us how things are going.


44 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:18 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: kcar

By the looks of things, they're going to get away with it. This sickens me so bad I cannot tell you. What is worse, is the defense and the denial which follows.


45 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:20 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: sit-rep
Nobdy can tell me . . .

I suspect that's not a very good measure of the truth of a statement.

46 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:28 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg.)
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To: Lorianne

I am very embarrassed at the image American's are projecting across the world with these lawless thugs in NO. There is NO EXCUSE for this, and it ain't Bush's fault for sure. If a political party is to blame it sure isn't mine.


47 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftist=Anti American!)
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To: HateBill
But enough of characterizing the vast majority of them as predators!

Then why didn't the "majority" stand up to the "minority?"

48 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:52 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Lorianne
"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives.

How about bringing some food and water?

49 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:53 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: SkyPilot

He's been kicking BUTT all over TV today; it's a joy to see!

Thank you for your work.


50 posted on 09/04/2005 7:12:33 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Archidamus

Yes. We have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears the wonder of our diversity.


51 posted on 09/04/2005 7:12:33 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: LibWhacker
Headline you will never see - "Dems screw up again! Women and Children Suffer!"
52 posted on 09/04/2005 7:12:57 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: Howlin
We really don't know that it was everything these writers say it was.

About the only cooboration most of this stuff has is from a woman who managed to get interviewed by CNN several times. She actually sounded like she was reading a script ~ that's pretty much a sign of being a tad psychotic.

One of the things I noticed from pictures taken by cameramen who went inside the Dome is that the trash had been maintained pretty much in piles, and people could isolate themselves from it.

When the truth comes out, you will see that the UK and Brit stories are rather melodramatic and only lightly connected to whatever the reality was.

53 posted on 09/04/2005 7:13:08 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Lorianne
I hope Louisiana's tourist industry wakes up

Louisiana's tourist industry, or at least New Orleans's, is dead. Of self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

Would you ever want a family member going through what these Australians went through? Would you want it to happen to a perfect stranger?

I was going to a conference there this fall -- the organization has moved the conference (to family-friendly Orlando) and is making noises about NOLA in a subsequent year. I am going to make my vote for, the year hell freezes over.

NOLA always enjoyed being compared with Haiti. It seems like the comparison is a little too apt.

According to Army Times, soldiers took fire from looters all day. One foreign paper referred to "the insurgency." If we didn't need the port, I'd say build a wall around it and let the savages eat one another.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

54 posted on 09/04/2005 7:13:43 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Howlin

Why do you think the majority didn't stand up to the minority?


55 posted on 09/04/2005 7:13:45 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah
We really don't know that it was everything these writers say it was.

You cannot be serious.

56 posted on 09/04/2005 7:14:40 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Archidamus

That 98% figure is absurd and was said in the heat of the emotions generated by the trauma.
That place certainly had a sizable gangsta element and I don't doubt the Aussies horror stories.But many of those folks in the Dome were women and kids and most likely just as worried about the anarchy as the tourists.
Maybe 25% bad guys.Not 98%


57 posted on 09/04/2005 7:14:44 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: muawiyah

Will you ping me when the "truth comes out"? Thanks.


58 posted on 09/04/2005 7:14:56 PM PDT by Aznar5
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To: Lorianne

"It's the culture, stupid" fomented by corrupt politicians and failed liberal policies. It's been so sad watching NO become more of a cesspool with each passing decade.

The conviction rate of NO for homicides and other violent crime is so abysmal that you have to figure there are an inordinate number of violent scum freely walking the streets even in the best of times.

When SirJohnBarleycorn first registered to vote in The Sportsmen's Paradise many many years ago, my grandmother offered me the following succinct guide to Louisiana politics: "If they're in, vote them out because every d**ned one of them is a crook." Oh and also, that one should register as a Democrat, because if you're a Republican they would simply throw your ballots into Lake Pontchartrain.


59 posted on 09/04/2005 7:15:03 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: muawiyah

Are you clueless?

Because they ran wild.


60 posted on 09/04/2005 7:15:05 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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