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Chinese Activist Warns of Nuclear War
Washington Times ^ | 9-1-05 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 09/01/2005 12:48:45 PM PDT by Paul Ross

China is preparing for nuclear war with the United States over Taiwan, and a conflict is likely in the near future because of divisions among Beijing's leaders, a Chinese democracy activist says.

Wei Jingsheng, a leading international advocate for political reform in China, said in an interview with The Washington Times that President Bush and other U.S. leaders do not fully understand the chance of a conflict breaking out and must do more to avert it.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: attnwalmartshoppers; china; communism; nationalism; nuclear; pla; puppetmasters; unrest; war
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To: Quix

I agree about their understanding our government better than we do theirs. But I disagree about the people. Even our own government reads the people of America wrong.


141 posted on 09/01/2005 4:22:39 PM PDT by Siobhan (Catholic and furious.)
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To: Paul Ross

"And the simplest asymmetric attack of all: Ten or more major EMP blasts from SCUDS launched from anonymous Arab-registry ships above the continental U.S., and have Al-Quaeda take credit for it. Every U.S. city would be in almost the same straits immediately as New Orleans.

"No phones. No electrical power. No communications. No gasoline able to be pumped. No computers. No banks. Not pretty."

There is one small problem: this "simple" attack would require operational capabilities far beyond al-Qaeda's. Indeed, only the US, Russia, China, Britain, and France could pull it off. 3 out of 5 are not guilty; a very plausible US response would be to incinerate the national governments of the remaining two.


142 posted on 09/01/2005 4:26:45 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Quix
But whether the nationalism is for greater democracy or greater statism is the determining factor. If the people support the current government and strengthening that nationally, we're in a heap of trouble. Fear of inner-revolt for democracy has been one of the concerns keeping the military in check.
143 posted on 09/01/2005 4:28:12 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: crowman

I think you're wrong.

I'm much more willing to bet my professional participant observer understandings gleaned from years in China to whatever experiences you've had.

And, pride is not always rational in it's origins or manifestations.

To a large degree, the Chinese leadership is told only what it wants to hear much worse than even our military.


144 posted on 09/01/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Siobhan

I don't know why. I don't know if it's the puppet masters nest that I think is there or what but I think Atlanta is definitely on a horridly harsh discipline short list.


145 posted on 09/01/2005 4:30:44 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I don't want to take the time to get into all that. They had a pretty good nuke program. We had double agents in it. We shut it down.

Now the Chinese can have puzzle boxes within puzzle boxes but all their experts were known to us and closely monitored.

I don't have any need to argue the details. It sounds like I know a lot more about it than you do.


146 posted on 09/01/2005 4:32:19 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Siobhan

I'd agree that I think that key elements of China's leadership doesn't understand our people well.


147 posted on 09/01/2005 4:33:00 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

They are viscerally averse to any kind of internal civil war sorts of conflicts.

They would much more easily support a foreign war even at great devastation to their own land.

The leadership has a very probably even over blown set of assumptions about the success of tyranny and CONTROL. Tienanmen only intensified those assumptions.

Did you read the Tienanmen Papers?

Very insightful. Raw government documents by the ton were distilled.


148 posted on 09/01/2005 4:35:20 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Quix

You're right I know,,,and it made me think of a play/movie from the sixties titled,,""" THE Persecution and Assination of Jean-Paul Marat, AS Performed by the Inmates of the ASSylum at Cherdon UNDER the Direction of the Marquis de Sade """ But you know, EVEN the frogs rejected old Sade and threw him in the cracker box....


149 posted on 09/01/2005 4:35:56 PM PDT by crowman
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To: crowman

Just my best guess.

But not out of thin air. I didn't think so much of my understandings of China. I think so-called "China Experts" who pontificate as self apointed such on national TV are deluding themselves from George Bush 1 as well as a list of others.

But I had lots of grass roots experience as well as endless hours of discussions with very well connected people who had connections into the Central Committee.

I have learned over the years, that my understandings of China repeatedly gained spontaneous comments of "You think like a Chinese" repeatedly from Taiwanese as well as Mainlanders.

I Love them dearly. I don't trust Beijing at all. I trust them to be greedy and acquisitive and arrogant and blind in spots and very perceptive in other spots.


150 posted on 09/01/2005 4:40:50 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Quix
"I fiercely think Taiwan is worth defending. "

Why? They are all Chinese , speak the same languages, have the same religions , same ancestry , same culture , same history up until recently. It all breaks on the ideology
that came forth in the early middle of the last century.
Both sides are recalcitrant , inflexible to change or much compromise. They remind me of people when handed a sheet of white paper with a single black dot in the middle , see only the black dot and not the white paper.If they are stupid enough to fight it out , let them. But we should not get involved , not our fight.
151 posted on 09/01/2005 4:43:39 PM PDT by injin
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To: Quix

If they try it, their export to the USA Economy would collapse... Joe and Jane America AND the Govt. would reduce China product purchases enough to idle Chinese factories and instigate riots of a Dynasty wide scale....Win or lose the Island in question, their EXPORTS would slowwww down, and the rice bowl would EMPTY and the winning MING-BOTS would then be fighting their continuing INTERNAL enemy...


152 posted on 09/01/2005 4:45:53 PM PDT by crowman
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To: injin

I don't think there's any way to express my heart regarding my Godsons and Daughters on Taiwan or Manland China. . . .or for the country of Taiwan or the people of Mainland China.

Yes, they have some very disconcerting aspects to their characters and priorities.

So do we.


153 posted on 09/01/2005 4:47:22 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: crowman

Certainly a possibility.

Not the only one.

And, I'm sure they are confident--rationally or irrationally--that they could overcome such problems well enough. They've been THERE before.


154 posted on 09/01/2005 4:49:04 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Paul Ross; All

Ever wonder what the world would be like if FDR would have let Patton drive on through Russia, and across China?


155 posted on 09/01/2005 4:51:38 PM PDT by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: Quix

Well I like them also, and know a few American/Chinese...But I've also heard it said that they are the TRUE paper tigers, and the hot banter emerges because they debate with each other in a sealed environment...When they play it out beyond their coccoon they should realize that Grinning over a destroyed ruined country isn't much of a success....And you know, we would respond massivly because WE aren't going down to slavery as an option....What's the point....


156 posted on 09/01/2005 4:56:08 PM PDT by crowman
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To: Quix

Yes, and BEFORE is history and TODAY is different so the BUTCHERS of BEJING will have to contend with a Chinese population that surely is more capable of sustaining a REVOLT if the attack mongers force them into a scrounging lifestyle from a ruined economy.....Maybe they think they can split their forces for INTERNAL operations AND destroying the ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


157 posted on 09/01/2005 5:15:23 PM PDT by crowman
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To: Paloma_55

"Funny... The Chinese keep finding "Made in USA" on their missle guidance systems, computing and networking equipment."

Good one.


158 posted on 09/01/2005 5:23:54 PM PDT by dljordan (a)
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To: Paul Ross
wATCH THE Movie Deterrence.
159 posted on 09/01/2005 7:19:40 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Siobhan

Thanks for the ping!


160 posted on 09/01/2005 8:19:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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