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Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Various ^ | 30 August 2005 | Various

Posted on 08/30/2005 1:34:04 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: Ingtar
my http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1473373/posts?page=2280#2280 yesterday:

"This is the big economic hit - temporary cessation of major shipping - perhaps almost all shipping - through the Mississippi Delta to the Gulf of Mexico. A truly gargantuan proportion of our GDP depends upon this.

Plus loss of the Delta underground/undersea pipelines for crude oil and refined petroleum products due to earth and mud movements. That was a significant problem with the last major hurricane through this area. The problem is likely bigger now, but rebuilding of those pipelines will be slowed by higher priority demands due to all the other damage this time.

But the shipping issue is the biggie."

It is normal for the Mississippi mouth to be temporarily closed to ocean-going ships following a hurricane in the area. The Corps of Engineers has to make certain the main shipping channels remain clear, and to remove new obstructions or dredge new mud flows as necessary.

So Katrina will have some effect here no matter what. But the longer-duration closure you mention would be disastrous.

And the Port of New Orleans is closed indefinitely. It is the port where most foreign cargo is transferred to and from Mississippi River barges to ocean-going shipping. It is much cheaper to move a lot of cargo up and down the river on barges than on ocean-going ships so, AFAIK, almost half the value of exports from the U.S. to foreign markets which passes down the Mississippi, and at least half the value of non-oil/POL imports going up the Mississippi, relies on the Port of New Orleans to get from barges to ships and vice-versa.

Things will be bad enough with the Port of New Orleans closed, though other river ports can probably make up for some of it, but closure of the entire Mississippi mouth for ALL sea-going traffic for significantly longer than the usual post-hurricane period would have a major, major, adverse effect on the U.S. economy.

5,521 posted on 08/31/2005 11:45:06 AM PDT by Thud
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Rush had a good line today...

He said that all of these libs that regard the National Guard as a place for "draft dodgers" sure are anxious and grateful for their service now, aren't they?


5,522 posted on 08/31/2005 11:45:17 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Arlington Texas --- Next home of the Dallas Cowboys...going more broke every second.)
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To: sinkspur
We've never seen anything like this before in the United States.

Yes, we have.

Galveston 1900

More than 6,000 dead, probably many more - estimates range up at least as high as 8,000, but record-keeping was poor and many were simply never found.

They wound up burning the bodies on the beach because when they towed them out to sea they drifted back in.

That is a full sized barge. Full of bodies.

5,523 posted on 08/31/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
As far as I can tell, GWB did a lot of work while at the ranch and POTUS is never really on vacation. The only other person seeming to be active was Curt Weldon but you couldn't tell that from the MSM. Otherwise, ALL THE SENATORS AND ALL THE CONGRESSCRITTERS WERE ON VACATION TOO, longer than GWB was "out."
5,524 posted on 08/31/2005 11:45:43 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: sinkspur

Not the same, but what did they do with all the bodies in the great flu epidemic of -- not sure of the year -- 1918 or so? My mother told me her mother described the coffins stacked in the streets (in Boston) waiting for the city wagons to pick them up -- daily.


5,525 posted on 08/31/2005 11:45:56 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Miss Marple

ROFL...thanks MM:)

I love FReepers.


5,526 posted on 08/31/2005 11:46:36 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Howlin

and the flooded out looters are moving to the nicer areas, which are still dry..


5,527 posted on 08/31/2005 11:46:40 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: MNlurker
Clean Air act has just been suspended for gas and diesel!!!

Rush playing comments from EPA admin now!

5,528 posted on 08/31/2005 11:47:21 AM PDT by CedarDave (VietNam Vet Remembers -- This Time SUPPORT the Troops, COMPLETE the Mission)
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To: r9etb

Dont know about that....it will be light traffic with police escorts....

Are they taking over the entire Astrodome complex.....lots of people wanting to take showers...


5,529 posted on 08/31/2005 11:47:36 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Howlin
A guy on CNN just said they are trying to get the patients out of the hospital by nightfall because "New Orleans is so dangerous now."

I pray they succeed.

5,530 posted on 08/31/2005 11:47:55 AM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)
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To: NonValueAdded

Don't forget that they have not decided to come back early...


5,531 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:13 AM PDT by MNlurker
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To: BurbankKarl

That is not about survival, is it?


5,532 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:19 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: BurbankKarl

Yeah...I was glad to hear of Houston offering the Astrodome, but if they bring those looters....forget it!


5,533 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:22 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Arlington Texas --- Next home of the Dallas Cowboys...going more broke every second.)
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To: MarMema

how do we know any of these stories are true? Journalists constantly invent man on the street stories to color their articles as needed.


5,534 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:35 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: CedarDave

"Clean Air act has just been suspended for gas and diesel!!!
Rush playing comments from EPA admin now!"

YES!!!!


5,535 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:43 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: CedarDave

Darn -- clean air waivers only through Sept. 15


5,536 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:05 AM PDT by CedarDave (VietNam Vet Remembers -- This Time SUPPORT the Troops, COMPLETE the Mission)
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To: BurbankKarl
Dont know about that....it will be light traffic with police escorts....

True ... but they've got to get out of the hurricane area, not to mention food and potty stops. It'll just take a long time. That's the nature of the beast.

5,537 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:07 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Howlin
Isn't this guy from the EPA, the one that announced the CAA suspension, the one that Hillary was blocking?
5,538 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:19 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Txsleuth
Yeah...I was glad to hear of Houston offering the Astrodome, but if they bring those looters....forget it!

The looters seem to be otherwise occupied.

5,539 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:39 AM PDT by madison10
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To: madison10

Do a google with 'kathleen blanco castro'

Lots of goodies coming back.


5,540 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:54 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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