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Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Various ^ | 30 August 2005

Posted on 08/30/2005 6:51:27 AM PDT by NautiNurse

Catastrophic damage occurred to Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama as a result of Hurricane Katrina. Major bridges are destroyed. Mobile AL suffered its worst flooding in 90 years. In New Orleans, a large section of concrete levee broke last night. Water continues to rise, threatening, among many things, Tulane Hospital with 1000 patients. New Orleans officials: Do not attempt to return to the city at this time if you evacuated. It is too dangerous.

Sun-Herald Gulfport MS

WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula

Gulfport News via Topix.net WAFB Baton Rouge

Slidell, Mandeville, and Covington Updates Warning: website is overloaded due to heavy traffic

Mobile Register via al.com

Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger

Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser

Pensacola News Journal


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: hurricane; katrina; prayanddonate; tropical
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To: Howlin

Telling last paragraph line...

"Yet, as beneficial as this [levee] system is to the city, inevitably it will spell New Orleans' doom. "


1,181 posted on 08/30/2005 10:16:25 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Dog

Dog, I thought NO had dodged a bullet. Mmost of us here in Louisiana thought that. We aren't morans.

I think you are way harsh here.


1,182 posted on 08/30/2005 10:16:35 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Howlin
Anyone who has dealt with situations like this will tell you that "plans" never work as intended -- mainly because the circumstances surrounding the disaster never match the circumstances that were in place when any "planning exercise" or "dry run" was done.

Look what happened in the Twin Towers on 9/11. Those buildings were designed to be completely evacuated in a certain period of time, but nobody anticipated the loss of multiple stairways and the blockage of stairways due to people with limited mobility, firefighters trudging UP the stairs, etc.

A number of government agencies were involved in some high-level disaster planning in New York City after 9/11, and right in the middle of our work they had a chance to see "emergency response" in action -- when the entire New York region had to cope with the famous blackout of August 2003. Trust me on this one -- it never works out the way you anticipate, and the bedlam associated with that scene was proof of that. And that was a relatively minor "inconvenience" more than a "disaster." People are pretty much on their own for the first 12-24 hours (if not longer) after a major disaster like this.

And for those among us who are so focused on the use of boats from all over the planet to rescue people stranded in their homes in New Orleans, I'll add this little piece of information from my background . . . these boats represent a hidden danger lurking behind the scenes here. The biggest problem the disaster response teams is going to face is refueling these boats, and perhaps even rescuing people who went out to rescue others.

1,183 posted on 08/30/2005 10:16:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: AppyPappy; rwfromkansas

that news reporter was crying while she was talking to him....she was wiping tears from her face as he spoke about his wife being washed away....because he could no longer hold on to her; I had tears, myself.

This is very sad.


1,184 posted on 08/30/2005 10:16:40 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Howlin; cajungirl

I'm just reading here. But cajungirl said someone jumped to their death from the Super Dome.


1,186 posted on 08/30/2005 10:16:54 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Thud

The French Quarter was lost in the 80's when I was there.

I wonder if they can use barges to close the hole in the levvee.


1,187 posted on 08/30/2005 10:16:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Peach
Two LSU professors on WWL right now describing the levee breeches and the attempted countermeasures.

Apparently, damming the breech in the 17th Street Canal levee alone would be a big help - that explains the intent to ferry in 3000 pound sandbags.

1,188 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:00 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Would I lie to you?)
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To: proudofthesouth

What part of Westwood? A lot of that area is where you need a bulletproof vest anymore (sadly).


1,189 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:06 AM PDT by Corporate Law (Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: Lizarde; All
For those unable to receive WWL TV's video stream (icnluding me at the moment!) they have a storm news blog up at http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html.

Not sure how often it's updated though.

1,190 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:06 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: easonc52

Oh No! My dad was supposed to leave Long Beach and go to Hattiesburg...I have heard nothing from him since Saturday


1,191 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:14 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (Born/raised on MS beaches (SC now)...Criminals feed on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Howlin
There were a number of people here at FR following Katrina very closely even before she hit Florida. A ton of good information was posted on those threads.

There was some speculation and wild predictions to be sure. But when it all boiled down, those folks had it nailed well in advance.

Actually, some had it nailed before the NHC, although it could have been a lucky guess or gut feel.

Nevertheless, the information on those threads was available to anyone with an internet connection.

What is happening today was largely preventable in terms of the human suffering. We knew on Friday. Louisiana reacted on Sunday.

1,192 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:14 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog

actually the general concensus on the cable news was "the worst is over", except for a few loons on fox who were still predicting disaster. CNN was leading off with "the worst is over", of course the French Quarter contingent was sure all was fine...


1,193 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:14 AM PDT by no-s
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To: nwctwx

Last night after midnight, Fox was STILL showing that ridiculous French Quarter video of his!

I'm sticking with CNN.


1,194 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:20 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: cajungirl

I didn't call you a moron...I called the media morons.


1,195 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:27 AM PDT by Dog ( "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, that here, obedient to their laws, we lie.")
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To: nicmarlo
I had tears, myself.

As did I.

1,196 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:28 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: jeffers

"Louisiana Offshore Oil Port refining terminal declared there is no major damage"

I wonder how much good an undamaged port of oil facility can do if there's no workforce available to operate them?

Looking like those cities and towns are going to be uninhabitable for a long time to come.


1,197 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:32 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (The most dangerous phrase in the English language: "There oughtta be a law")
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To: Warren_Piece

Depending on how long a wood frame structure is immersed, the frame can still be ok. Steel frames and skinned commercial buildings will fare better.


1,198 posted on 08/30/2005 10:17:48 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: ladyjane

When that man who lost his wife's hand in his house collapse said "My Mary is gone",,they only showed that part once everything changed for me,,it was like so personal then. I think when something horrible happens, it doesn't feel personal. It feels like a giant problem to figure out. And then suddenly, it feels like it is so real. And that man did it for me.


1,200 posted on 08/30/2005 10:18:14 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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