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Tipping point (restaurant charges automatic "service fee" to all customers)
Chicago Tribune - Yahoo ^ | August 26, 2005 | Stevenson Swanson

Posted on 08/26/2005 9:02:02 AM PDT by EveningStar

Waiter, there's a service charge on my soup.

Customers at a high-end Manhattan restaurant soon will notice an extra expense when they get their bill, and not only for their soup course.

Beginning Thursday, chef Thomas Keller will charge customers a 20 percent service fee at Per Se, his year-old outpost in the Time Warner Center on Columbus Circle, where the views of Central Park are nearly as breathtaking as the prices.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: foodservice; tip; tipping
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To: Max Flatow

"The Coldstone Ice Cream servers around here will sing a ditty for you when you tip. A buck gets you a 30 second song. It's amusing."

--- It may be amusing (to you), once

How about all of the other people waiting in line for another 30 seconds while the scooper wastes their time?


81 posted on 08/26/2005 10:53:51 AM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: Michael.SF.

Hmmph. I go out with my female friends every couple months or so, and we generally tip around 20%. If you've ever waited tables, you don't stiff the waitress.

Worst tippers? In my limited experience, the friends of the boss. In high school, I worked in one restaurant where a LOT of the boss's friends came in. They got their discount by not tipping. I quit after six weeks.


82 posted on 08/26/2005 10:57:34 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: chudogg
What you don't know is that in such dining establishments the service staff are often professional waiters who do this for a career. You don't just become a waiter in such a place after working at Applebee's and such. the article also said that this is happening so that he can pay his cooks more. A good cook tops out at about 13-14 dollars an hour. This does not include the Sous who is management. Servers can walk out with several hundred dollars or more nightly. He is just trying to level the playing field for all staff. After all, don't the cooks and dishwashers deserve just as much credit for a wonderful dining experience.
83 posted on 08/26/2005 11:07:53 AM PDT by 31R1O ("Everything with God and nothing without him")
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To: television is just wrong

Many Asians and Indians seem to be this way. I just chalk it up to their culture. Austrailians are the greatest customers that you could ask for and many of them just don't seem to tip.


84 posted on 08/26/2005 11:10:40 AM PDT by 31R1O ("Everything with God and nothing without him")
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To: Skooz
But I refuse to frequent restaurants which include the tip in the price of the bill. The tip is OPTIONAL. That's why it's called a "tip." It's a little something extra to show appreciation for good service.

Yep. I can hardly have an expectation of good service if the waitstaff already know they're getting a 20% tip. What incentive do they have to treat me well?

85 posted on 08/26/2005 11:13:12 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: 31R1O

You should distinguish between cooks and chefs. The chefs are usually well into six figures and getting a piece of the action.


86 posted on 08/26/2005 11:14:05 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: LisaAnne

i still don't think its right. if you can afford $750 for a meal, you can afford another $150 for a tip. an it doesn't sound like (from the article) that they were taking a choke, with an average 22+% tips. what it sounds like they're doing is making a mandatory, and supplementing the cooks with it.


87 posted on 08/26/2005 11:14:41 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: NittanyLion

Their motivation comes from professionalism and the need/desire to hold on to $60,000 a year jobs.


88 posted on 08/26/2005 11:15:20 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

"A good cook tops out at about 13-14 dollars an hour", I thought I did.


89 posted on 08/26/2005 11:16:31 AM PDT by 31R1O ("Everything with God and nothing without him")
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To: 31R1O

The difference isn't apparent to many...


90 posted on 08/26/2005 11:17:28 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Their motivation comes from professionalism and the need/desire to hold on to $60,000 a year jobs.

By that logic, no business should peg bonus dollars or compensation increases to employee performance rating. They'd all work equally hard because they need the job and are professionals.

But we all know that everyone's human, and human behavior will change according to what system of incentives are in place.

91 posted on 08/26/2005 11:20:12 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: kx9088

Yup. A tip (To Insure Promptness) was originally used before the meal arrived to be sure it arrived at the diner's table when hot (and faster than some other patron's meal who hadn't tipped yet). Eventually it was provided later when settling the check. But to tell me that I must pay it even if my service was terrible? No, I'll lop it off or eat elsewhere. And elsewhere sounds better than this place.


92 posted on 08/26/2005 11:24:32 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: chudogg
Why does some dumb college broad deserve 20% of every bill?

If they provide good service, then that is a standard tip in this country (well, most places).

If people do not like this tipping convention, they can stay home.

I am opposed to a mandatory tip, however.

93 posted on 08/26/2005 11:25:12 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: NYDave

I'm a college professor. I don't get tipped for a good lecture. And believe me, I've tried. ("Bribes," my butt.)


94 posted on 08/26/2005 11:25:14 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "ROFLOL!" -- tuliptree76)
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To: EveningStar
Maybe they need to do away with tipping and adjust their prices and pay the entire staff on a different scale. If it becomes too expensive for some people to eat out, then they should stay home and learn to cook.

We rarely eat out. If I eat out, I want something special that I can't or won't make at home - and I'm happy to splurge. Otherwise, my home cooking is better than most chain restaurants.

95 posted on 08/26/2005 11:26:54 AM PDT by meowmeow (Meow! Meow!)
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To: Pessimist

I can't understand tips at Starbucks. Starbucks? It makes a mockery of the American tradition of tippage.


96 posted on 08/26/2005 11:27:54 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "ROFLOL!" -- tuliptree76)
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To: durasell
Females in a low wage job. Who would have guessed that?

Waiters in high-end restaurants can make a career out of what they do.

There is a restaurant in the DC area called L'Auberge Chez Francois where most of the waiters are long-term employees of the place, some with 30 years at that restaurant.

When you're waiting at a place where a table for 5 can easily spend $1000, your tip from that one table will be $200.

97 posted on 08/26/2005 11:30:12 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Uncle Fud
Boy howdy, I'd drop an extra 20% to taste all of that good stuff

Don't worry about it. There is usually a weeks-long wait-list to get a table at places like that. So, I doubt they'll miss your business.

98 posted on 08/26/2005 11:32:06 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: durasell
(and yes, the guy's name in accounting is always Bernie).

Actually, it's My Attorney, Bernie, and Murray, my accountant.

99 posted on 08/26/2005 11:32:40 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Max Flatow
How did you know the career of every customer? Just wondering?

The teachers delight in letting you know they are teachers. They think it makes them look smart.

100 posted on 08/26/2005 11:33:47 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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