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Tipping point (restaurant charges automatic "service fee" to all customers)
Chicago Tribune - Yahoo ^ | August 26, 2005 | Stevenson Swanson

Posted on 08/26/2005 9:02:02 AM PDT by EveningStar

Waiter, there's a service charge on my soup.

Customers at a high-end Manhattan restaurant soon will notice an extra expense when they get their bill, and not only for their soup course.

Beginning Thursday, chef Thomas Keller will charge customers a 20 percent service fee at Per Se, his year-old outpost in the Time Warner Center on Columbus Circle, where the views of Central Park are nearly as breathtaking as the prices.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: foodservice; tip; tipping
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To: KevinB

That's a great idea! Thank you.

Maybe it's time to get a little more assertive.


41 posted on 08/26/2005 9:41:38 AM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Exactly.


42 posted on 08/26/2005 9:42:28 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: steveegg; All

"20%? Highway robbery, if you ask me."

20% is not robbery in Manhattan, particularly for an upscale eatery. I waited tables many years ago and was only paid in tips. There are certain cultures and ethnicities that don't understand the concept of tipping. I never liked giving good service and getting nothing in return. I agree with an earlier poster, however, who said that then you can't reflect your feelings about bad service. I prefer controlling my own tipping so that, if I don't like the service, I may leave a dime or a quarter. This way the waiter will know that I am dissatisfied. If he complains, I'll just simply explain. If the 20% is mentioned in the menu, then you can simply choose not to eat at the restaurant or pay. Nothing wrong with that.


43 posted on 08/26/2005 9:43:15 AM PDT by NYDave
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To: clarissaexplainsitall
Other than Americans, my favorites were the Germans! Big tippers just like us!

I have been a waiter, a cook, busboy and have even done table-side service (Flambes, carved Duck etc.) absolutely the worse tippers are teachers, regardless of their nationality.

44 posted on 08/26/2005 9:46:36 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: Michael.SF.
Females in a low wage job. Who would have guessed that?
45 posted on 08/26/2005 9:48:49 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Not just women, but men teachers are the same.

And just wait while they divy up the bill. Oh my!

46 posted on 08/26/2005 9:52:13 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: steveegg
20%? Highway robbery, if you ask me.

Then you have never had service at this level.

47 posted on 08/26/2005 9:55:22 AM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: Michael.SF.

Been there, seen that, got the t-shirt.

The truth of the matter is, many, many people do not know how to behave in a restaurant.


What's not been mentioned is that Per Se is one of those restaurants where people are paying with Monopoly Money (expense accounts). The extra charge eliminates any questions that Bernie from accounting may have about a dinner bill (and yes, the guy's name in accounting is always Bernie).


48 posted on 08/26/2005 9:55:54 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Michael.SF.

How did you know the career of every customer? Just wondering?


49 posted on 08/26/2005 9:57:20 AM PDT by Max Flatow
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To: varyouga
Also, as in socialism, the waiters won't care about their job since they are getting 20% anyway. You will definitely see service go downhill in these places.

The French Laundry has been open for years and still has better service than any other restaurant or club in the western world.

50 posted on 08/26/2005 9:57:44 AM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: EveningStar
Among the offerings on the ever-changing menu is a typically wry version of bacon and eggs, made of bits of braised pig's head and quail eggs. Dessert might feature thyme-infused ice cream or cucumber sorbet.

Boy howdy, I'd drop an extra 20% to taste all of that good stuff

/irony

51 posted on 08/26/2005 9:58:19 AM PDT by Uncle Fud (Imagine the President calling fascism a "religion of peace" in 1942)
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To: LisaAnne

The French Laundry has been open for years and still has better service than any other restaurant or club in the western world.


FOODIE ALERT!


52 posted on 08/26/2005 9:58:30 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Michael.SF.
Not just women, but men teachers are the same.

How in the world do you know what every customer's job is? I don't think I have told three waiters in my entire life what I did for a living!

53 posted on 08/26/2005 9:59:41 AM PDT by Max Flatow
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To: EveningStar

About 15 years ago the most popular restaurant and toughest reservation to get decided it could get away with an automatic tip. It then went on a steep decline and soon closed.


54 posted on 08/26/2005 10:00:17 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: LisaAnne

What about a tip jar for the dry cleaners? Or the the Starbuck's drive thru? Or a tip jar for TCBY? That is tipping out of control!!!!


55 posted on 08/26/2005 10:00:37 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: LisaAnne

The service staff will hate this. All of their tips will now be reported to the IRS. Making there jobs much lower paying.


56 posted on 08/26/2005 10:00:40 AM PDT by Roux
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To: durasell
I don't care in naked woman served me food on gold plates, charge me a service fee for dining in your restaurant, I'm looking for the first hot dog cart!

TIP: To Insure Promptness, not to insure payment.

57 posted on 08/26/2005 10:02:37 AM PDT by Max Flatow
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To: absolootezer0
ridiculous. as a bartender i'm truely offended. i've worked in restaurants and bars for the last 10 years, and i've seen that good service is properly rewarded the vast majority of the time. i'm one of the better servers most places that i've worked, i typically make 25-35% of my sales in tips, where others are lucky to make 10%. i don't see why my tips should be cut in order to make sure someone else gets the same amount.

The reasonm is the prices. Diner for 2 at the French Laaundry, with good but not exotic wines will run $750.00/couple, and too many people were taking the choke at adding a $100 to $200 tip to that.
They have a staff of one employee per every three diners served, and you aren't talking about college kids but professional chefs and waitstaff. You can't get that kind of people or service for chump change.

58 posted on 08/26/2005 10:03:09 AM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: EveningStar

This will pretty much assure that tips over 20% diminish.


59 posted on 08/26/2005 10:03:37 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Sybeck1

The Coldstone Ice Cream servers around here will sing a ditty for you when you tip. A buck gets you a 30 second song. It's amusing.


60 posted on 08/26/2005 10:04:36 AM PDT by Max Flatow
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