Evolution Debate creates monster [Flying Spaghetti monster, to be exact]

Lawrence Journal-World ^ | August 24, 2005 | Scott Rothschild

[curiosity]

Hey, clownboy

Oh, that's mature.

if you didn't read the thread, how could you possibly know what's in it?

I don't. It is very possible there was "bashing" going on in the thread. I was only commenting on the tittle.

Christians advocated imposing a religion on everyone at the point of a gun.

Care to cite an example?

Stupid, fascistic, intolerant, so-called Christians - just like you.

Sigh. More baseless namecalling. Are you in 2nd grade?

[curiosity]

That's better. You can stand for science and against bigotry, no mutual exclusivity there at all.

Thanks. I'll do my best to keep it up.

[GSHastings]

The Theory of Gravity can never be proven. Maybe you should check your facts.

I think maybe you should check your facts.

The theory of gravity is very easy to prove. Gravity can be predicted with great accuracy, where it will exist, and how much of it will exist there. It can easily be tested, has been tested, and it works every single time.

The Theory of Evolution, is not the equivilant to the Theory of Gravity. It is equivilant to the Theory of What Makes Gravity Work. And in that regard, schience has no bloody idea.

[spunkets]

"First of all, it was not your historical comments I was referring to. I was referring to your insinuation that religious ID advocates would use torture if they had the chance."

Read the post and try to understand it.

"come to think of it, dredging up irrelevant, unsavory 800-year-old events from the history of your opponent's Church is also an innappropriate debating tactic."

Read the post my post is a reply to. Then show where the church in question is the poster's church. I referred to "IDers" in general and called their art a con.

It is a scientific con. That's a sin. If you have a problem with my pointing out that Pope Innocent IV sinned as I clearly showed, then show he didn't. I brought up Pope Innocent IV's sin, because the poster proposed that the religion of the Pope's victims might be a suitable arbitrary designer. Now I know damn well folks aren't going to honestly consider that a possibility.

" You do not do the cause of advancing scientific understanding any good with such rhetoric."

I exposed the con Behe and the other leaders are playing. That regards sin, not science. The science was addressed elsewhere. I made no claim that anyone other than the IDers are involved in it. That means the perpetrators of it.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The theory of gravity is very easy to prove. Gravity can be predicted with great accuracy, where it will exist, and how much of it will exist there. It can easily be tested, has been tested, and it works every single time."

You are confusing two different things, gravity and the Theory that explains it. The Theory of Universal Gravity has never been proved. Not once. In fact, we know that there are problems with every gravity theory we have. Relativity has a hard time agreeing with quantum mechanics when it comes to gravity. Newtonian gravity doesn't work with very very small objects and very very massive ones. It is still useful for a great number of things in everyday experience, but Newton's *Laws* have technically been shown to be incomplete.

That is the nature of a scientific theory.

"The Theory of Evolution, is not the equivilant to the Theory of Gravity."

Evolution is just as strong as gravitational theory.

[jwalsh07]

You're doing a good job and I know you're stuck in a bad spot, the middle.

[shuckmaster]

I can't help recoil in disgust when I see such gratuitous bashing of the ID supporters' religion

What exactly is the ID supporters' religion? And why are you trying to pretend that this religion is science or belongs in science class?

[curiosity]

I would quibble with your comments on point one in the sense that every time IC item "1" can be demonstrated to have evolved, the IDers come back with IC item "2." And so on ad infinitum.

Behe made the bold claim that it is impossible for any IC process/system/organ/organalle to evolve in a Darwinian fashion. This claim has been falsified.

Everytime something IC has been shown to be evolvable he either, a) ignores it b) claims it's not really IC c)demands every last detail of its evolution be described or d)ignores it.

[jwalsh07]

What exactly is the ID supporters' religion? And why are you trying to pretend that this religion is science or belongs in science class?

Oy vey.

[Admin Moderator]

I urge you to cease and desist.

I urge you to knock off the personal attacks.

[curiosity]

What exactly is the ID supporters' religion?

Wideawake and Behe are both Catholic. This is a matter of public record.

And why are you trying to pretend that this religion is science or belongs in science class?

I'm not. If you cared to read my profile or my other posts, I oppose ID.

[spunkets]

"Why recoil from bigots?"

Care to expand on that and show how that is in fact the case, or is there really nothing behind your personal attack?

[jwalsh07]

Nothing has changed since that time and before. If the IDers could get away with it, they'd return to prison, torture and murder. They can't, so the art of the con is all they have left.

This little gem "ID's" you as a bigot. If you don't know the meaning of the word bigot, you can look it up.

You've got chutzpah though, you make a sick, bigoted assertion with no proof and then whine about being personally attacked. Not only are you a bigot, you're a clown.

[jwalsh07]

I urge you to knock off the personal attacks.

Surely you jest? Spunkets makes bigoted statements accusing everybody involved in ID of wanting to torutre and murder and curiosity calls him on it and you tell curiosity to "cease and desist"?

[curiosity]

Read the post my post is a reply to.

I read both. You undeniably stated that ID advocates would resort to torture if they could. That, sir, is not only hateful rhetoric, it is slander.

Then show where the church in question is the poster's church.

Wideawake has frequently confessed on this forum that he is Catholic.

I referred to "IDers" in general and called their art a con.

Yes, that's fine. I have no objection to that. It is only your accusation that ID advocates would use torture that I objected to.

[spunkets]

"If you don't know the meaning of the word bigot, you can look it up."

I did look it up. I don't think you know what it means.

"whine about being personally attacked."

I didn't whine. I simply asked for you to explain your remark and you did.

[Oztrich Boy]

It is equivilant to the Theory of What Makes Gravity Work.

That IS the Theory of Gravity. All the measurments of gravity are stuff that has to be explained, not theory.

[dinodino]

Yar! Thanks for the link, matey!

[Kevin OMalley]

BFLR = Bump for later reading.

[jwalsh07]

I did look it up. I don't think you know what it means.

Get your thinker fixed, it's as fouled up as your moral compass. Asserting groups of people are wont to torture and murder because they have differing beliefs than you do is bigotry. You're a bigot. Learn to live with it.

I didn't whine. I simply asked for you to explain your remark and you did.

Sure you did, you whined about personal attacks.