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Evolution Debate creates monster [Flying Spaghetti monster, to be exact]
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | August 24, 2005 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 08/24/2005 6:51:49 AM PDT by Quick1

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I'm offended that they call my faith "satire", and that one of the Judeo-Christians called it "misinformation". You don't see Flying Spaghetti Monsterists running around calling Judeo-Christianity satire, do you?

Those of use who have been touched by His Noodly Appendage simply think that ID is an incorrect version of events, and we simply want children to hear competing theories, so that they can decide for themselves.

1 posted on 08/24/2005 6:51:52 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Quick1
Those of use who have been touched by His Noodly Appendage

We don't ask.

You don't tell.

2 posted on 08/24/2005 6:53:52 AM PDT by TheBigB
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To: Quick1
If their sole remaining strategy is to make bad jokes in lieu of good arguments - which now seems to be the case - then I am delighted.
3 posted on 08/24/2005 6:54:00 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Quick1
Also, if anyone would like to learn more about His Noodliness, here is more information. (pops)
4 posted on 08/24/2005 6:54:34 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: wideawake

Why do you insist on calling my faith a bad joke?


5 posted on 08/24/2005 6:55:13 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Quick1

"cross-country Internet community of satirists."

Don't quit your day jobs...if you have one.


6 posted on 08/24/2005 6:55:43 AM PDT by NathanBookman (It's dark out.)
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To: Quick1

Heck, I'd take the class just for the "full pirate regalia".


7 posted on 08/24/2005 6:57:17 AM PDT by Hoodlum91
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To: Hoodlum91
Excellent! We certainly need more pirates to help stem the flow of global warming.
8 posted on 08/24/2005 6:59:21 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Quick1
(yawn)
9 posted on 08/24/2005 7:00:17 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Comedians with poor educations. I guess they went to journalism schools. The evolution debate is much moire complicated and goes back father than the Scopes trial. I doubt that many people have even heard about the Wilberforce-Huxley debate, but the following lecture really puts things into perspective.

http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/cis/brooke/lecture1.html


10 posted on 08/24/2005 7:01:54 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NathanBookman
Don't quit your day jobs...if you have one.

They'll have day jobs as soon as they can find someone to pay them for sitting around in their moms' basements downloading porn.

11 posted on 08/24/2005 7:02:09 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Quick1

Happy to do what I can! Arrrrr


12 posted on 08/24/2005 7:02:49 AM PDT by Hoodlum91
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To: Quick1; PatrickHenry

there are no competing theories where facts are concerned....

Evolution=Fact

plain and simple.....pray all you want it wont change


13 posted on 08/24/2005 7:03:22 AM PDT by Vaquero (lets all play " The Crusades")
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To: Vaquero

Except for all those missing links.

They are "gaps" in the theory.


14 posted on 08/24/2005 7:08:28 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: Vaquero
there are no competing theories where facts are concerned....

Phrenology=Fact

plain and simple.....pray all you want it wont change

blah blah blah blah blah

Were evolution fact, as gravity is fact, there wouldn't be any debate.

Evolution is an interpretation of certain facts, and a disputed interpretation at that.

Assert your interpretation all you want - it's still your interpretation.

15 posted on 08/24/2005 7:09:59 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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Why make up a new creation story? There are plenty of creation stories currently believed by millions, and they sound nearly as silly.

Chinese:

In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again.

When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

Hindu

This universe existed in the shape of darkness, unperceived, destitute of distinctive marks, unattainable by reasoning, unknowable, wholly immersed, as it were, in deep sleep.

Then the Divine Self-existent, himself indiscernible but making all this, the great elements and the rest, discernible, appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness.

He who can be perceived by the internal organ alone, who is subtle, indiscernible, and eternal, who contains all created beings and is inconceivable, shone forth of his own will.

He, desiring to produce beings of many kinds from his own body, first with a thought created the waters, and placed his seed in them.

That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....

The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself by his thought divided it into two halves;

And out of those two halves he formed heaven and earth, between them the middle sphere, the eight points of the horizon, and the eternal abode of the waters.

From himself he also drew forth the mind, which is both real and unreal, likewise from the mind ego, which possesses the function of self-consciousness and is lordly.

Moreover, the great one, the soul, and all products affected by the three qualities, and, in their order, the five organs which perceive the objects of sensation.

But, joining minute particles even of those six, which possess measureless power, with particles of himself, he created all beings.

16 posted on 08/24/2005 7:10:15 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Quick1
Why make up a new creation story? There are plenty of creation stories currently believed by millions, and they sound nearly as silly.

Chinese:

In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again.

When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

Hindu

This universe existed in the shape of darkness, unperceived, destitute of distinctive marks, unattainable by reasoning, unknowable, wholly immersed, as it were, in deep sleep.

Then the Divine Self-existent, himself indiscernible but making all this, the great elements and the rest, discernible, appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness.

He who can be perceived by the internal organ alone, who is subtle, indiscernible, and eternal, who contains all created beings and is inconceivable, shone forth of his own will.

He, desiring to produce beings of many kinds from his own body, first with a thought created the waters, and placed his seed in them.

That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....

The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself by his thought divided it into two halves;

And out of those two halves he formed heaven and earth, between them the middle sphere, the eight points of the horizon, and the eternal abode of the waters.

From himself he also drew forth the mind, which is both real and unreal, likewise from the mind ego, which possesses the function of self-consciousness and is lordly.

Moreover, the great one, the soul, and all products affected by the three qualities, and, in their order, the five organs which perceive the objects of sensation.

But, joining minute particles even of those six, which possess measureless power, with particles of himself, he created all beings.

17 posted on 08/24/2005 7:10:25 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: wideawake
Were evolution fact, as gravity is fact, there wouldn't be any debate.

Fact: Two bodies of mass have some kind of force that pull each other together. However, we don't know what exactly this force is, gravitrons, gravity waves, or even some kind of string. The Theory of Gravity can never be proven. Maybe you should check your facts.
18 posted on 08/24/2005 7:14:06 AM PDT by Quick1
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These pagan Flying Spaghetti Monsterists will burn in hell! For they shall be smited by the one true god! All praise the Invisible Pink Unicorn!


19 posted on 08/24/2005 7:16:47 AM PDT by TOWER
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To: Vaquero

Motto of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Eat me?

Goes back to the great Pasta Debate of '54.

Using a non sequitur to prove a point is something AirHeadsAmerica would do.

Air...Flying...There's a connection. It's a leftist conspiracy!

AGGHH

DK

NS is a theory. It has warts. ID is a theory. Not sure what it has.

One of the obvious things about this debate that is so wonderful is how many people can't figure out that it is not an evolution (phenomena) debate. It is an NS vs. ID (theories) debate about evolution (phenomena).


20 posted on 08/24/2005 7:16:47 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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