Well, I walked out of church this morning over the Cindy Sheehan situation (VANITY)

Muself | 8/14/05 | Myself

[sissyjane]

I had a similar experience when the war started. Our priest went on and on against the war. I didn't walk out, but I've only been to mass a few times since then. I was livid !!

[FreedomFarmer]

Mothers once stood before the assembled legions of The Republic, their very sons, and would proudly and publicly admonish the young warriors to come home "With your shield, or on it", and the priests would ask blessings on them, and tearfully beg release from their temple duties, so that they might join ranks and be counted a citizen, too...

[Ben Chad]

Did you have to restrain yourself from heckling the preacher? Should have kept the offering.

[Ramcat]

I know how you feel.
The only thing I can tell you is to pray for your pastor.
We had a similar situation with our pastor who would relate his sermons to something he'd read in the NYT or witnessed on the Today Show.
My wife and I made it a point to pray for him and for the last year of so his sermons are about Jesus, His works and His Word. Many others must have been praying as well.
Don't feel bad, I've been tempted to do what you did many times.

[Publius6961]

You're a lot more patient than I am.
I would not have agonized about the decision either.

I reject, on principle, getting political scoldings from who are, essentially, religious parasites.

If I wanted to homogenize my religious, political and cultural existence, I would become a muslim!

[Eastbound]

Remove the pastor. He's turned.

[ItsForTheChildren]

Food for thought - everyone have some, please:

Would you have walked out if the pastor's politics agreed with yours?

(That said, I don't know if I would have walked out but I certainly would have been pissed.)

[Tijeras_Slim]

I guess you can say I'm chicken or over-accomodating, etc.

You showed integrity and dignity.... don't second guess yourself this way.

[pepperhead]

You may want to rethink your membership in that community, but to leave in the middle of mass because of something said at the pulpit is disrepectful to everyone.

What if the priest would have said something even more disrespectful? What if he would have talked about the joys of child molestations or something else?

[Chi-townChief]

I came up against this in February, 2003 when there was a peace vigil at St. Gerald's. I attended thinking maybe this was it and I would need to find another church. BTW, our pastor presided then also.

Surprisingly, many of the prayers, along with those for loved ones in the military, were for Hussein to just give up and and get out and for the eyes of the world to be opened.

This is the first time since then really that something like this has come up.

[Last Dakotan]

God even loved Timothy McVie

While it's true in the most generous terms, God wants sinners to repent, to my knowledge Timothy McVeigh never did.

[the invisib1e hand]

One of the beautiful things about Mass is that's all about Christ, not the homily.

anyway, think about it. strip away all the spin, and there really are some striking similarities; the timing is enough to make one at least reflect upon it. And if there's one thing that wisdom dictates, it's to reflect upon all facets of the story. There is something valid about a mother expressing grief and appealing to authority, when it's unspun.

I certainly don't agree with what is being portrayed of her motives and message but recall that she is simply a useful tool in the hands of the propagandizing left. It is instructive to consider, apart from that, what genuine grief she must be experiencing. Perhaps she's been egged on and encouraged to abandon propriety by her left wing handlers, who will be on to the next victim once they've ruined her life and broken her for good.

[MNJohnnie]

This is the first time something like this has happened in this church we have attended for the past twenty years or so and I feel pretty horrible about the whole thing.



There is a time when all must stand and be counted. I would be calling this "Pastor's" superiors and demanding that they council this person that their own political bigotry has nothing at all to do with their JOB. If it were me, I would be finding another church. The Hysteric Left count on the good breeding and basic decency of the Right in order to get away with what amounts to treason. Knowingly or not, this "pastor" is actively giving propaganda support to the Islamic Terrorists. That is fine, we have a 1st Amendment to protect morons like them, but the 1st Amendment does NOT require us to sit quietly, or provide the forum, for them to spew their Hate America First propaganda.

[Manic_Episode]

I would've inturrupted.

[Grateful One]

You were right to do so.

I did the exact same thing during the Vietnam war, and for the same reasons.

[PMCarey]

What if he would have talked about the joys of child molestations or something else?

Read my post again. I clearly stated that stating a heresy WOULD be grounds for walking out - and a priest talking of the joys of child molestations would clearly count for that. However, as much as we don't like the pastor's political position, nothing I read in the original post struck me as heretical. It was certainly nonsense and I vehemently disagree with it, but it was not heresy.

[Manic_Episode]

I don't mind politics in church one bit, as long as its Godly politics and not leftist, liberal garbage.

[Sabatier]

I have to respectfully disagree, though I see your point.
But I believe that if the pastor's sermon has become
an occasion of sin for me, it is appropriate to leave.
It is more disrespectful to the Lord to be steaming in
anger in church than to quietly leave.

[Chi-townChief]

Obviously not, but the alarms would still be going off in my head. I know a lot of people will disagree with this but I equate Pat Robertson with Jesse Jackson, both being more politician than "religious leader."

[ChefKeith]

I handed the usher my offering as we exited.

You should have waved it in his face and told him when the sermon turns to politics the funding stops, and put it back in your pocket.