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Decades After Abuses by the Japanese, Guam Hopes US will Make Amends
New York Times ^ | August 14, 2005 | James Brooke

Posted on 08/14/2005 7:46:28 AM PDT by blueminnesota

With the 60th anniversary of Japan's World War II surrender on Monday, Mr. Cruz, who is now 78, and other elderly Guam residents hope American politicians will go beyond solemn speeches and act to compensate them for abuses they suffered under Japan's 32-month occupation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: anniversary; compensation; guam; reconciliation; vjday; wwii
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To: blueminnesota

Uh, citizens of Japan,.... and Ms. Cindy "stupid traitor" Sheehan,....

Perhaps you've forgotten:

Nanking, Bataan, Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima, Corregidor, the Philippines,....the list is too long. Way too long about Japanese crimes and terrorism.

Read this about Okinawa: http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/okinawa/default.aspx

Guess which part of my butt Japan can kiss.


21 posted on 08/14/2005 8:29:17 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Peach
And why would the US compensate anyone for the abuses BY the Japanese?


Well, we may not have committed the abuse, but it's not like we engaged in a protracted, costly war and sacrificed thousands of lives to end it.

Oh, wait a minute...
22 posted on 08/14/2005 8:57:06 AM PDT by oxlongm
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To: All
They'll have to take a number.

The Bracero Program, also referred to as the Mexican Farm Labor Supply, lasted 22 years starting during W.W.II and involved 4.5 million people.

Ostensibly to encourage the workers to return to Mexico it was agreed that part of their wages (10 percent) would be paid to the Mexican government -- the corrupt! Mexican government demanded it.

You guessed it. The workers never got paid by Mexicorruption.

A national class action law suit was filed in federal court on behalf of Mexicans to get the U.S. to pay again -- with no doubt 60 years of interest and adjusted every which way.

Boy, I can't wait for them "guest worker" thingies and what they will cost.

23 posted on 08/14/2005 9:11:00 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: Cricket24; All

"Why doesn't Japan pay for their abuses?"


I agree! But they come after us because they know we have deep pockets and a bunch of PC people who will try to make it happen .. to help our standing in the world .. or some such other garbage.


24 posted on 08/14/2005 9:11:15 AM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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To: blueminnesota

LOL

NYT has gone off the deep end.

God only know what this 78 year old really said.


25 posted on 08/14/2005 9:12:13 AM PDT by Chgogal (Congressmen who willfully...during war...damage moral...should be arrested, exiled or..." Lincoln)
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To: blueminnesota

"A 1951 treaty between the United States and Japan absolved Japan of future individual American war claims, which means American taxpayers would be asked to pay for abuses committed by Japanese soldiers on American nationals on American territory."

Who signed this lame treaty. Certainly if the American people were asked in 1951, we would have said BULLSH!!. Damn politicians are usually wrong most of the time.


26 posted on 08/14/2005 9:13:02 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: DefiantZERO

You know how many hundreds of millions will be pouring into guam in the next 5 to 10 years... this guy is freaking nuts.


27 posted on 08/14/2005 9:14:18 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

GUAM -Give Us American Money.


28 posted on 08/14/2005 9:19:15 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: blueminnesota
When the Japs invaded Guam, the entire defense force consisted of 128 marines, one 50cal machine gun and rifles.

Our gutless government in the past has refused to allow American POWs to sue the Japs for their years of work in Japanese factories and coal mines. The Guamanians are under the same yoke as the POWs.

29 posted on 08/14/2005 9:19:17 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Guam is going to be the new naval outpost in the pacific.


30 posted on 08/14/2005 9:20:36 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

"is"


31 posted on 08/14/2005 9:21:56 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: blueminnesota
They did get compensation for WW II. I can't remember all of the specifics, but one stipulation was that all islanders alive at the time were given ID cards so they could shop at all military exchanges and commissaries. A reservist had less access to these facilities than the locals did. There was also something to do with a few generations getting cards. That was supposed to run out in the the mid 1990s.
32 posted on 08/14/2005 9:26:17 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: blueminnesota
A 1951 treaty between the United States and Japan absolved Japan of future individual American war claims, which means American taxpayers would be asked to pay for abuses committed by Japanese soldiers on American nationals on American territory.

I looked this up, at (San Francisco Peace Treaty)

and that is not what it says. From the treaty:

Article 14:
(a) It is recognized that Japan should pay reparations to the Allied Powers for the damage and suffering caused by it during the war. Nevertheless it is also recognized that the resources of Japan are not presently sufficient, if it is to maintain a viable economy, to make complete reparation for all such damage and suffering and at the same time meet its other obligations.

Therefore,

1. Japan will promptly enter into negotiations with Allied Powers so desiring, whose present territories were occupied by Japanese forces and damaged by Japan, with a view to assisting to compensate those countries for the cost of repairing the damage done, by making available the services of the Japanese people in production, salvaging and other work for the Allied Powers in question. Such arrangements shall avoid the imposition of additional liabilities on other Allied Powers, and, where the manufacturing of raw materials is called for, they shall be supplied by the Allied Powers in question, so as not to throw any foreign exchange burden upon Japan.

...(snip)...

(b) Except as otherwise provided in the present Treaty, the Allied Powers waive all reparations claims of the Allied Powers, other claims of the Allied Powers and their nationals arising out of any actions taken by Japan and its nationals in the course of the prosecution of the war, and claims of the Allied Powers for direct military costs of occupation.

All it says is that we waive reparations. It also says that "Such arrangements shall avoid the imposition of additional liabilities on other Allied Powers" with the exception of raw materials used in rebuilding. It says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about US having to pay reparations for JAPAN'S actions. This is nonsense.

33 posted on 08/14/2005 12:52:37 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Logical me
which means American taxpayers would be asked to pay for abuses committed by Japanese soldiers on American nationals on American territory."


IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT.
34 posted on 08/14/2005 6:42:48 PM PDT by CAWats (The floggings will continue until morale improves.)
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